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I've seen nothing from Barnes so far to make me think he's worth scrapping Malik Hairston for. He's an upgrade from Keith Bogans, but who isn't?
I've seen nothing from Barnes so far to make me think he's worth scrapping Malik Hairston for.
I've seen nothing from Barnes so far to make me think he's worth scrapping Malik Hairston for. He's an upgrade from Keith Bogans, but who isn't?
roger mason jr
I didn't mean signing Barnes at the expense of Hairston. Hairston has a future on this team IMO. I just threw out the idea of signing Barnes next year to upgrade the sf position.
Mason has nearly the exact same numbers, despite struggling mightily this year.
I don't think any number of small forwards is going to fix the Spurs' defense until they do something about the power forward/center position anyway, but if the Spurs sign Barnes, I promise you it will be at the expense of Hairston.
ok? exactly my point. he is worse this year than bogans...
Mason Jr. has played worse Defense and has shot worse from the field and 3 point line since the Rodeo Trip.
On top of that he whined about minutes. ing shame that he couldn't have been traded out for a second round pick.
Uh, no. At his worst he's exactly the same as Bogans. The difference is that we know he potentially has an upside.
How does a worse FG%, a worse 3pt% and worse defense result in exactly the same production?
the argument used to be his offense was better than bogans defense but this year bogans offense is better than masons LMAO. and mason defense? please he actually makes bogans look like bruce out there when you compare those 2 guys.
gtfo with that bull .
i dont give a about bogans or mason, but when bogans is taking all the heat and then you sit there defending roger masons play... that just doesnt make sense.
Speaking of bull .
Glad you failed to point out that Mason's scoring more and getting more assists.
Mason is measurably better than Bogans despite struggling and not getting anything approaching consistent minutes this season. The whole idea of Bogans being a good defender kind of goes out the window when Vince Carter suddenly goes off when Bogans steps onto the floor. Expecting either Bogans or Mason to be the key on your defense is not terribly bright, but expecting Bogans to produce offensively is downright re ed. If you need more to convince you, perhaps noticing he scored three points in a game where the Spurs dropped 150 on Golden State would help.
^ Pretty deceiving since he nosedived during and since the rodeo trip. Bogans > Mason. Spurs don't really have anyone to defend Carter or really any athletic scorer but Bogans is one of the better options they have. He did do well against Wade though.
Bogans is not a scorer but he's been more efficient. And if you're going to bring up tonight's game; he again outplayed Mason Jr. Bogan also brings in a consistent defensive effort and moves without the ball better.
Bogans: 3 points (1-3 FG, 1-1 3P), 6 assists, 5 rebounds, 1 turnover, 2 fouls, 18 minutes, +25
Mason "More minutes" Jr.: 4 points (2-7 FG, 0-3 3P), 1 assist, 3 rebounds, 2 turnovers, 1 foul, 1 steal, 20:30 minutes, + 3
Last edited by Cane; 03-20-2010 at 12:01 AM.
Numbers are a bit deceiving. Mason's numbers are a bit inflated because of a hot stretch from mid December to mid January. He also takes 2.5 more shot per game. He's taken 155 more shot attempts than bogans in less minutes. I'm not going to make a big deal over .6 differential in assists other than the fact that Pop has used him as a backup point gaurd when TP's been sidelined. Its less than one assist a game more and not really a big deal.Speaking of bull .
Glad you failed to point out that Mason's scoring more and getting more assists.
Mason is measurably better than Bogans despite struggling and not getting anything approaching consistent minutes this season. The whole idea of Bogans being a good defender kind of goes out the window when Vince Carter suddenly goes off when Bogans steps onto the floor. Expecting either Bogans or Mason to be the key on your defense is not terribly bright, but expecting Bogans to produce offensively is downright re ed. If you need more to convince you, perhaps noticing he scored three points in a game where the Spurs dropped 150 on Golden State would help.
Bogans defense is laughable at times, but its still marginally better than Mason's.
Last edited by murpjf88; 03-20-2010 at 12:43 AM.
I only use Mason's numbers to point out how useless Bogans is anyway. I'd be perfectly happy with Hairston getting the lion's share of minutes this season, and I'd keep giving Mason a chance to shoot his way out of his slump. He gets his confidence back at any point this season, he suddenly makes the Spurs a LOT better. As I've said before, I don't think Bogans possesses that kind of upside, even though he's played very well at times over the past few weeks.
I only use Mason's numbers to throw up
LOL @ who's more valuable, Mason or Bogans.
When guys with those numbers are taking up a combined 40 MPG, you're in trouble.
They should have been developing Hairston instead of wasting a year on a player that won't be here next season.
When you don't have Bowen, basically what you've got at that position is funnelers where you go back to the original Spurs defense to force guys baseline to the shot blockers.
When you don't have Bowen and you don't have shot blockers, it's time to start leaning on your offense. That pretty much means no more Bogans.
Malik should get every minute from Bogans and Mason. You guys don't have to argue over which, he should replace both.
A rotation of RJ-MH, GH-MG, and TP-GH/MG is something I'd love to see, with a healthy sprinkling of DNP-CDs for Bogans and Mason.
I still hate you Bogans... Even moaaar.
Bogans is our worst player
No matter what happens, this guy will be resigned in the offseason. Even though he shouldnt be.
Bogans should be released along with the person who started this thread.
Last edited by Ice009; 03-22-2010 at 08:17 AM.
We should hang our head in shame when we have a defensive centerpiece that lets everything, even my grandma, go around him for easy shots. His main strenght is fouling people after they went past him. I.e. He sucks. I think we would be better off playing 4 on 5... never mind, we are already doing that when he is in the court.
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