So who can't we beat without Parker?

[peskypesky]

too logical ! we won because TP sucks, Hill was not there during the 2nd half, bench his ass, in fact we should put only Manu in the starting 5.

i'm not talking about one game, dumbass. i'm talking about a series of wins against the best teams in the NBA. have you had your head shoved up Parker's ass the past few weeks or something?

[DesignatedT]

if it's ing re ed to beat the Cavs, Celtics, Magic, and Lakers in a two week stretch, than i'd rather be re ed than a genius like you. don't you realize that the reason everyone's playing better is because the little Frenchie is not on the floor controlling the ball? you want to argue with success, fine. i won't. i hope Parker stays in a suit the rest of the season.

You are an idiot. We have won recently because are backs have been against the wall and frankly there was no other alternative.. It was either win or miss the playoffs... which made everybody on the team try a lot harder and give a much bigger effort.

Im not denying the fact that we have beat some great teams without Tony but that has come with the re-emergence of Manu Ginobili. The man is possessed right now and probably playing the best basketball of his career. Tony coming back shouldn't effect this and if anything it could open things up even more for Manu.

Manu will still have the ball in his hands during every crucial moment in the game.

[peskypesky]

I'm not denying the fact that we have beat some great teams without Tony but that has come with the re-emergence of Manu Ginobili. The man is possessed right now and probably playing the best basketball of his career. Tony coming back shouldn't effect this and if anything it could open things up even more for Manu.

wtf?? are you serious? you don't think Tony coming back is going to affect Manu's touches? lmao. you're a moron.

[DesignatedT]

wtf?? are you serious? you don't think Tony coming back is going to affect Manu's touches? lmao. you're a moron.

I didn't say it wouldn't affect his touches but that necessarily isn't a bad thing, plus if pop balances it out to where they aren't on the court at the same time the whole game, him coming back is going to benefit the spurs tremendously. Manu needs to stay like this also... don't forget that he isn't exactly a "young" player.. If we are able to give him some rest without the team going into complete meltdown mode that is only going to help manu down the stretch and into the playoffs.

[Brazil]

i'm not talking about one game, dumbass. i'm talking about a series of wins against the best teams in the NBA. have you had your head shoved up Parker's ass the past few weeks or something?

On top of being a huge idiot you apparently have the tourette syndrom, I feel for you, it must be difficult.

[rascal]

chumpdumper and a few other Parker-nutsuckers can't face the facts that the Spurs without Tony are kicking ass and notching wins on the best teams in the NBA. they are on a tear. the Spurs' chemistry sans Parker is a thing of beauty, but some fans would rather have Parker come back and everything up. and it's not about hating Parker, it's about loving the fact that we're kicking ass without him.

Teams are coasting now not even caring about winning. You are putting too much in this hot run. New season when the playoffs start.

I knew fools like you would be suckered into believing the spurs are serious le contenders.

[spursfan09]

Some of ya'll are stupid. When Parker comes back, it'll be a good thing.

[FeZZy]

this thread sucks

[Cry Havoc]

It's definitely Parker's fault that Manu's production was down this year.

I mean, Manu was HORRIBLE in 2005, right?

Right?

[jestersmash]

Ahh, the good old Tony Parker hate after the Spurs win a game..no stats to back up the claims, nothing..very simple-minded thinking, as usual..

Look, I'm on the bandwagon of Parker coming off the bench..I wasn't before, but I am now..it's probably a better idea..please stop bringing BS here though, please..the stats don't back up most of these claims..

-George Hill's D has been just as bad as TP's during the stretch that TP has been out..this isn't arguable, it's pretty clear..Hill was getting torched routinely up until this last week or so..it's extremely tough for perimeter players to play D and have a load on offense, especially as a PG and especially with today's rules..Hill is probably the most overrated defender on this team, although he's pretty good at times, I'm just saying..Parker's D hasn't been a liability before, it won't be now, as long as he's healthy..

-I agree that Parker playing hurt did hurt the Spurs, but you can say that about Manu and TD as well..Manu was shooting less than 40% from the field for most of the 1st half of the season and taking bad shots..Duncan was playing some horrible games up until these last few weeks..TP hurts more because he handles the ball more, but it's obvious to expect an injured player to hurt the team when he's hobbled..

-Manu's hot streak has NOOOTTTTTTHHHHHHIIIIINNNNGGGG to do with Tony being out..there's absolutely no argument for this..Ginobili struggled for the entire 1st half of the season from a scoring perspective, and this was when he was coming off the bench, so he wasn't even playing with Parker most of the time..Manu's emergence is clearly the primary reason the Spurs are so hot..if Manu was playing like this earlier, of course the Spurs would have been better, he's 1/3 of our big 3..

Manu himself admitted that he had confidence issues early on due to not playing basketball for so long..he's clearly confident and healthy now, he has been for over a month now and it's paid dividends, it has nothing to do with Parker at all..these guys have won 3 les together, I think they know how to play together..

-Jefferson is playing a lot better..this one has a little to do with TP, but not as much as you would think..RJ's assisted % has BARELY gone up since TP went out, meaning he's clearly been calling his own number offensively..he's a lot more aggressive, he's rebounding better and he's defending a lot better..this also has to do with chemistry, and it means Jefferson obviously realized he must step up in Parker's absence..

-Parker has never had a problem with touches or getting others involved..in case some people have forgotten, Tony actually SAID the Spurs need to bring in more talent, and he was one of the more excited guys about the RJ acquisition..he'll have no problems letting him get his own touches..

-Manu is old, so is Duncan..while it's always nice to have them get a lot of touches, they can't be carrying the load too much, so of course it helps to have a guy that is a top 3-5 PG in the NBA when he's healthy..these 2 aren't always going to be on their games, Parker is going to be needed to beat the better teams and exploit key mismatches..

-Parker returning means Roger Mason no longer plays..it means Bogans plays less and it means Manu doesn't have to play too many minutes, which will allow him to be fresh for 4th quarters..there have also been plenty of games where Hill has played poorly, so it obviously helps to have an all-star there in case..

-The Spurs won their last 5 games with Parker in the lineup, beating Memphis, New Orleans twice, Phoenix and OKC..the signs were starting to show before he got injured, due to the improvement and emergence of other key players..

-The Spurs 3 best lineups this season all involve Tony Parker..so while he was having an off-season until his injury, he was still valuable and there were other key guys(Manu, RJ) that were playing worse at the time..

Didn't read the rest of this thread, but this post is 100% correct and that's all any of ya'll need to know.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I just don't like Parker. He seems like a to me, but his return will help. The rest he has gotten should help him during the playoffs. I just hope it doesn't up the chemistry they have now.

[Refocus]

this thread sucks

[ducks]

We've beaten the Cavs, Celtics, Magic & Lakers and who else with Parker's soft ass in a suit?

I like our chances as long as he doesn't suit up.

lost to the nets without tp to
and lost to the cavs with out him to

[Josepatches_]

Tony has to play like George Hill does. He's better so we must be a better team.But he has to improve his defense.

We will be in trouble if Tony wants to play like he always did and he wants to be the leader of the team.Manu has to take that role and Manu has to run the offense.
Manu is playing better than the best Tony did.Manu is playing in a higher level.Not only scoring when Tony is pretty good.

So it will be stupid if Manu returns to his previous role last 2-3 season when Tony comes back.

[Sean Cagney]

I just don't like Parker. He seems like a to me, but his return will help. The rest he has gotten should help him during the playoffs. I just hope it doesn't up the chemistry they have now.

Like him or not he is the best PG on this team and we can't win it all without him! we can't go deep without him here! He was lights out last year with TD banged up and GINO hurt, he held us down! Respect Tony.

lost to the nets without tp to
and lost to the cavs with out him to

I am a Parker fan as you, but we lost to the Nets without Gino too! Beat all those other big teams with Manu and Tony out! I know you hate Gino and post dumb all the time, but seriuosly he is as big as Tony is here and as Tim is!!!!!!!!!!!! We need all three to win a le, as much as you will not admit it.

[baseline bum]

Gotta love when the kids break into mom's Boones Farm stash and then think anyone here gives a about their drunken ramblings.

[mingus]

stupid thread

manu needs parker and so does duncan. they can't, esp. manu, continue at the rate they're on w/o him. we've seen what results from it: injuries and wear and tear. Manu is still relatively fresh from having missed part of the season and because he wasn't playing a lot early on. he can't continue what he's doing, and history shows that. this team needs parker if they want to remain healthy, and they'll need him to adapt somehow if they want to compete for a championship.

[ChumpDumper]

The great thing is that the people blaming Parker for the early season struggles are trying to pretend that Manu played like he is playing now the entire year and it was only Tony that was holding him back.

You are idiots. There really isn't much more to say.

[L.I.T]

Tony has to play like George Hill does. He's better so we must be a better team.But he has to improve his defense.

We will be in trouble if Tony wants to play like he always did and he wants to be the leader of the team.Manu has to take that role and Manu has to run the offense.
Manu is playing better than the best Tony did.Manu is playing in a higher level.Not only scoring when Tony is pretty good.

So it will be stupid if Manu returns to his previous role last 2-3 season when Tony comes back.

So, you'd prefer a Finals MVP, three-time NBA champion to come in and play like a 2nd year undersized SG with (and this point in his career) overrated defensive skills and less court vision than Jacque Vaughn?

By the way, three seasons ago they won the championship (2007). If the big three returned to that level of play I would be quite happy. Unless, you're one of those one player only fans who try and masquerade as a Spurs fan?

[gilmor]

I don't know what is the deal with this great hate of Parker?

Look at last season games, we went 54-28 and Parker was arguably the chief contributor and highest scorer in most of these games. I would say we achieve 54-28 mostly because of Parker last year.

This year Manu is doing the same. Whereas there is a general love for Manu, why can't there be some love for Parker?

This just doesn't make sense. They guy played his heart out and all he got from you fans is just some unappreciative hatred..

Beat the out of me man..

[timtonymanu]

Ahh, the good old Tony Parker hate after the Spurs win a game..no stats to back up the claims, nothing..very simple-minded thinking, as usual..

Look, I'm on the bandwagon of Parker coming off the bench..I wasn't before, but I am now..it's probably a better idea..please stop bringing BS here though, please..the stats don't back up most of these claims..

-George Hill's D has been just as bad as TP's during the stretch that TP has been out..this isn't arguable, it's pretty clear..Hill was getting torched routinely up until this last week or so..it's extremely tough for perimeter players to play D and have a load on offense, especially as a PG and especially with today's rules..Hill is probably the most overrated defender on this team, although he's pretty good at times, I'm just saying..Parker's D hasn't been a liability before, it won't be now, as long as he's healthy..

-I agree that Parker playing hurt did hurt the Spurs, but you can say that about Manu and TD as well..Manu was shooting less than 40% from the field for most of the 1st half of the season and taking bad shots..Duncan was playing some horrible games up until these last few weeks..TP hurts more because he handles the ball more, but it's obvious to expect an injured player to hurt the team when he's hobbled..

-Manu's hot streak has NOOOTTTTTTHHHHHHIIIIINNNNGGGG to do with Tony being out..there's absolutely no argument for this..Ginobili struggled for the entire 1st half of the season from a scoring perspective, and this was when he was coming off the bench, so he wasn't even playing with Parker most of the time..Manu's emergence is clearly the primary reason the Spurs are so hot..if Manu was playing like this earlier, of course the Spurs would have been better, he's 1/3 of our big 3..

Manu himself admitted that he had confidence issues early on due to not playing basketball for so long..he's clearly confident and healthy now, he has been for over a month now and it's paid dividends, it has nothing to do with Parker at all..these guys have won 3 les together, I think they know how to play together..

-Jefferson is playing a lot better..this one has a little to do with TP, but not as much as you would think..RJ's assisted % has BARELY gone up since TP went out, meaning he's clearly been calling his own number offensively..he's a lot more aggressive, he's rebounding better and he's defending a lot better..this also has to do with chemistry, and it means Jefferson obviously realized he must step up in Parker's absence..

-Parker has never had a problem with touches or getting others involved..in case some people have forgotten, Tony actually SAID the Spurs need to bring in more talent, and he was one of the more excited guys about the RJ acquisition..he'll have no problems letting him get his own touches..

-Manu is old, so is Duncan..while it's always nice to have them get a lot of touches, they can't be carrying the load too much, so of course it helps to have a guy that is a top 3-5 PG in the NBA when he's healthy..these 2 aren't always going to be on their games, Parker is going to be needed to beat the better teams and exploit key mismatches..

-Parker returning means Roger Mason no longer plays..it means Bogans plays less and it means Manu doesn't have to play too many minutes, which will allow him to be fresh for 4th quarters..there have also been plenty of games where Hill has played poorly, so it obviously helps to have an all-star there in case..

-The Spurs won their last 5 games with Parker in the lineup, beating Memphis, New Orleans twice, Phoenix and OKC..the signs were starting to show before he got injured, due to the improvement and emergence of other key players..

-The Spurs 3 best lineups this season all involve Tony Parker..so while he was having an off-season until his injury, he was still valuable and there were other key guys(Manu, RJ) that were playing worse at the time..

Best post on this thread. People forget that this team was starting to look better before Parker went down. when Parker got hurt, people were saying the season was lost. But now that the Spurs have gone on a run like expected, Parker is a trade asset now.

[ChumpDumper]

So it will be stupid if Manu returns to his previous role last 2-3 season when Tony comes back.

You mean injured and out of the playoffs?

If he's not injured, that would be incredibly stupid.

What you want is for Tony to be injured and out of the playoffs.

[TJastal]

Well GH's injury makes this thread more stupid.

But, there are some things to consider, one of them is TP defense. He has to step up big time now if GH is gonna be in the IR list for a couple weeks. And it would be nice if he can work out in the summer a legit 3 pointer from anywhere (top-bottom etc) in the field.
Defense first, we know he can score, get double teams etc, but he gotta step up on D. He's been our worst defender this season, in help D (missing tons of rotations, even Manu barked at him many times this year couse of that) and 1 - on - 1 D.
If he gets that, we contend again.
Then, next year, i want to see him hitting 3's, he might be the only star PG in the history of the NBA that can't make-take 3's.

I love TP, btw.

Yup. Hill's defense and tenacity this year has blown away Parker and his offensive game is gaining ground. It's way better than Parker's pre-planar fascitis defense even.

I hope this long stint on the bench and watching the spurs' chemistry come together has made it clear to Parker that he isn't the end-all-be-all for the spurs. Time to step up your game Mr Parker.

[TJastal]

I didn't say it wouldn't affect his touches but that necessarily isn't a bad thing, plus if pop balances it out to where they aren't on the court at the same time the whole game, him coming back is going to benefit the spurs tremendously. Manu needs to stay like this also... don't forget that he isn't exactly a "young" player.. If we are able to give him some rest without the team going into complete meltdown mode that is only going to help manu down the stretch and into the playoffs.

Yah, IF... big word there. That's what we're all waiting to find out is where Pop is going to situate Manu once Parker comes back, will he leave him in the starting lineup or bring him off the bench again?

I think Manu should stay in the starting lineup. Even Breen/Collins were talking about that in the 1st half, and they thought it would in the spurs' best interests to keep Manu in the starting lineup.

[phyzik]

We need Tony back for the playoffs. People that think otherwise are flat out idiots.

That interview during the game was a little wierd though, I chalk it up more to "going through the motions". Tony probably wasnt paying attention to what she was asking and was just regurgitating the same answer to the same question he has been asked since the injury.