Get rid of this guy Cuban

[Findog]

WHAT

THE



Best ball of his career?

You mean November of 2008 right after April of 2008 when the Mavs were getting ass raped by the Hornets and Josh was smoking weed, planning parties, and not doing jack on the court?

Sorry, I was thinking of November 2007. Got my timeline mixed up - I was thinking of the season right after Golden State when Josh was playing great and there were re ed "Whose team is it? Josh or Dirk?" arguments cropping up.

But November 2008 - I'll refer you to what I already said:

Because there's no way from the summer of 2008 to the present that the Bobcats would've agreed to that deal

Why do the Bobcats trade Gerald Wallace for an injury-prone headcase that checked out on his team during a playoff series? I'm not sure you understand how trades work - two parties have to come to a mutual agreement. How is Josh supposed to get traded for Gerald Wallace in November 2008? Why does Charlotte do that deal?

[Findog]

Hold on, maybe I just went completely insane and got dates wrong, but let me check.....

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...804190NOH.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...804220NOH.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...804250DAL.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...804270DAL.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...804290NOH.html

....yeah, all 5 of these games happened before November 2008....

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-news-an...-howards-party

....yeah, this happened before November 2008....

http://ballhype.com/video/josh_howar..._in_offseason/

....this too.

just checking.

You wasted an awful lot of keystrokes because I initially got my chronology mixed up and thought November 2008 referred to the first season after the Warriors series.

I'll just ask again: how are the Mavs supposed to send an injury-prone headcase that mentally checked out on his team during a playoff series to Charlotte for Gerald Wallace? Why do the Bobcats agree to that deal? If you're ever lucky enough to become an NBA GM, you'll find out the hard way that you can't call up the Hawks and say "I'm trading you JJ Barea for Joe Johnson and there's nothing you can do about it."

[Findog]

Also, this:

Wallace suffered a Grade 3 concussion on February 23, 2008 after taking an unintentional elbow to the face from Sacramento's Mikki Moore.[2] It was his fourth concussion in as many seasons with the Bobcats.[2] It was not clear when he would return,[2] although Grade 3 concussions are defined by the American Association of Neurological Surgeons as ones that "involve post-traumatic amnesia for more than 24 hours or unconsciousness for more than five minutes. Players who sustain this grade of brain injury should be sidelined for at least one month, after which they can return to play if they are asymptomatic for one week."[3]

I remember at the time that there was concern Wallace would have to retire. So on one side you had a guy who had tanked his trade value. And on the other hand, you had a guy who was playing better, but there were serious injury concerns about the number of concussions he'd suffered and about the long-term viability of him being able to continue his career. It's not a surprise that this deal didn't get done for either side.

[Rogue]

lol everyone talked about how butler was such a huge upgrade..the only "upgrade" part of that deal was Haywood, who we barely even play. go figure.

then it's still more or less an UPGRADE? not a lateral move...

[Rogue]

Unfortunately for Butler, he has had to play out of position here in Dallas. Funny how both Butler and JHo struggled this season by having to play SG. I put more of the blame on the front office and coaching staff for thinking these guys can play out of position

Ironically they have an inveterate SG in the turtle figure of Jason Terry but Carlisle sticks to playing him off the benching, without giving a try of playing Butler or Marion this way.

[Rogue]

Okay fine, you're right Mr. "Spurs in 6 is the most pessimistic, overly cynical prediction". Let's ship Caron Butler the out of town. Sign Josh back after the season's over. Watch the whole team crumble, watch Dirk quit on the team halfway through the season again, watch another scramble for another midseason trade. Have fun!

IIRC you seemed to have the hottest fever on Butler/Haywood's arrival, and now it's also the same re who holds the biggest pessimism when the truth appears to your eyesight that it was just another lateral move to swap Josh/Gooden/craps for Butler/Haywood.

[Rogue]

[Findog]

Caron Butler OWNING tonight.

[sribb43]

Caron Butler OWNING tonight.

Looks like he is OWNING u tonight as well

[Findog]

Looks like he is OWNING u tonight as well

Yeah he is

Now if he played like this all the time I'd have never started this thread. He can own me all the way to a series victory.

[Findog]

On Thursday I'm going to make a thread about how Rick Carlisle is a ing dumbass who can't coach his way out of a paperbag and Cuban needs to fire him pronto

[MavDynasty]

lol findawg jinx

[MavDynasty]

He can own me all the way to a series victory.

[MavDynasty]

Damn Dampier still riding the pine

[mavsfan1000]

Damn Dampier still riding the pine

Carlisle all about discipline. It's quite annoying.

[Findog]

Damp has been garbage this series.