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Clearly you are not aware of the process.
how would that system of haves and have-nots be any worse than the current one? except it would be based on experience/national pride and not money or color.
i don't know what you mean by voted out of the right to join. explain please?
politicians would all be experienced citizen-soldiers after one generations time, and the parents/grandparents of another generation of citizen-soldiers. it would be the opposite of mitt romney, or cheney, no more war mongering politicians who don't have a personal, not just financial, stake in the war. could you vote your own son or daughter to the battlefield unless you truly believed it was the right thing to do?
Clearly you are not aware of the process.
The purpose of US immigration is not to alleviate poverty in other countries.
what do you mean?
it's not like i believe that one person can make these changes.
we control congress(to a degree), they decided what amendments go before a vote. its not like the cons ution is written in stone, so what am i not aware of?
or a cons utional convention...
You appeared to be unaware there was a process to do this, implying the cons ution could be amended on a 'whim'.
What in the Cons ution do you desire to be changed ?
nothing in particular at this time, it was in response to someone saying that the cons ution was in place to keep ideas like mine from happening.
back to the subject at hand, does anyone think AZSB1070 or something similar would happen in the great state of texas?
Props to your father.
from my understanding of this law. If someone is under police custody already, only then can police ask their citizenship. I don't see how that can be construed as racist.
The way I read it (from the excerpt posted by Crooks upstream), no custody is necessary. Just "lawful contact".
If police custody were a necessary precondition, then this law wouldn't be nearly so bad.
Lawful contact would seem to include victims, witnesses . . . heck, even purely consensual, friendly encounters with police officers.
OK, I have too much catching up to do, I may read the posts after this one (#10) later.
I am all for opening the borders under the following conditions.
1) We eliminate all social welfare programs except for the elderly and handicapped.
Well, that's it. Then the lazy will have to compete in a supply and demand job market where the supply of labor is dramatically increased.
Social welfare for the elderly and handicapped? You socialist commie...get out of my country and go back to mother Russia.
You have 'contact' with law enforcment all the time and aren't aware of it. A cop pulls up behind you at a light late at night, you can bet he's running your plate. They run people plates randomly all the time, at all times of day and night. Further, carrying a valid ID with you has been the law for umpteen ing years in most states. Is it enforced, no, but it's the law.
What I find funny is 'this law is wrong' because it catches people breaking the law, mentality. And for all those latino's raising about it, I'd bet their tune would change if millions of Haitians, legal and illegal, were pouring into LA or San Antonio or Phoenix.
And lets be real about this, there is plenty of racism in the Mexican American community. There are turf wars going on out in LA between blacks and latinos. When blacks start moving into what was primarily latino communities, they become unhinged.
All that 'La Raza' 'reconquista' bull is just stupid macho racist crap.
What I would like to see is Mexican Americans be more Mexican American and less Mexican American.
And most are, but a significant portion, particularly in SoCal, are not.
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I hope TX has something that penalizes the people who employ them, with a higher punishment for paying below what they would pay an american citizen. I hoped they already were allowed to question someones' citizenship. I also hope they have a plan to secure tx's international border and the border to oklahoma.
IDK if it changed or not but a few years ago, TX was the only state where police can stop for no reason. If they had a law in TX, they would have to put that into account when making the wording.
What does that even mean? Honestly, and I'm also sure panic giraffe can chime in here too.
I was having this debate with my friend the other day, he was saying I mean you and I we're Mexicans but we act American. As in Mexican heritage but we were born and raised here, but what does that mean?
His response...I don't know what it means to act American.
I eat tortillas with my meals more than I do bread and butter, does that make me more or less American? I prefer mexican pastries over apple pie, does that make me mexican or american?
I don't think anyone really knows what it means to be American. Some might say speaking English but they speak English in England, Australia, and New Zealand...that doesn't really distinguish Americans.
I think that argument is flawed because no one can really define what it really means, and I mean really means to be American. The fact that we're such a melting pot of different cultures makes it impossible to define.
Cops everywhere can stop you for no reason. They're not suppose to but it's called 'probable cause' and 'su ious behaviour' and 'crossing the center line' and 'not coming to a complete stop' and 'irratic behaviour' and on and on and on....
It means loyalty to nation, not race or country of origin. You're thinking in terms of 'culture'. That's not what I"m talking about. It has nothing, zip, to do with culture.
What it means is, a lot of latino's it seems, want to turn a blind eye to illegal immigration from mexico and latin America because they are 'latino'. This is a racial view to this issue. As I said in another thread, if millions of Haitans began pouring into Arizona and Socal and SA illegally and even legally, latinos would be up in ing arms. If you don't think so you're either a fool or a liar.
American culture is impossible to define ? American culture permeates the world. It is the most exported 'culture' in the world.
Hollywood, fast food, freeways, blue jeans, rock and roll, baseball, microsoft,
the space shuttle, going to the moon ie some of the best scientists in the world, new york, the grand canyon, D-day, pickup trucks, country western, jazz, hugh hefner, disneyland, Miami beach, LA, New Orleans, NFL, NBA ...muscle cars, chevrolet, apple pie, thanksgiving, college football, Boeing, the Hoover Dam, the Golden Gate Bridge... Vietnam, 911, Kennedy assassination, civil rights, slavery, the American revolution, the Alamo, PARIS ING HILTON...
There is no American culture ?
A culture is made up of history, failures and accomplishments, and the people who make it up. Every country has a culture, including us.
Last edited by word; 05-01-2010 at 02:18 PM.
true and i think the texas law i was refering to were for dui's. other states can only stop people if they violated the law. in texas you could get stopped just so the police could see if you were drunk.
Damn Okies! Kick em out!the border to oklahoma.
They can do it, but it has to be able to stand up in court.....this is, supported by physical evidence, witnesses, and such...if the case is weak, its likely to be plead down, sometimes way down..
Ever hear of Cesar Chavez? A lot of Mexican-decent and even recent immigrants from Mexico-Americans don't want unrestricted immigration either...it kills border salaries for the most menial jobs, which is all the skill sets recent immigrants can offer an employer...What it means is, a lot of latino's it seems, want to turn a blind eye to illegal immigration from mexico and latin America because they are 'latino'. This is a racial view to this issue. As I said in another thread, if millions of Haitans began pouring into Arizona and Socal and SA illegally and even legally, latinos would be up in ing arms. If you don't think so you're either a fool or a liar.
So why all the uproar ? What's it all about ?
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