Torrorist Attack at Times Square

[Yonivore]

Did the authorities know this guy trained in Pakistan before the bomb scare?

I don't know. He's an American citizen with a passport, I presume. They may not know he was training but they knew how long he was in Pakistan.

I think our intelligence agencies -- one of them, at least -- might have been curious about that.

Again, do you think our system is designed to catch guys within three days?

Is it a failure of our criminal justice system if police don't catch a suspect within three days?

What's the point of your question?

If we hadn't got lucky, all the forensics available in this case would have been spread over a pretty large blast radius and intermingled with a whole lot of collateral damage. That would have pretty much precluded a quick capture.

It's not the system, LnGrrrR; it's the luck.

[FromWayDowntown]

If we hadn't got lucky, all the forensics available in this case would have been spread over a pretty large blast radius and intermingled with a whole lot of collateral damage. That would have pretty much precluded a quick capture.

Ramzi Yousef wholeheartedly agrees with this.

[Yonivore]

Ramzi Yousef wholeheartedly agrees with this.

I'm sure he does, Yousef escaped to Pakistan and wasn't arrested until 1995.

I'm sorry, did I say Yousef escaped to Pakistan? I meant to say Iraq. I guess I was thrown by all the certainty -- on the Left -- that there was no al Qaeda in Iraq before the U.S. invasion of 2003.

Yousef was captured in Pakistan but, he first went to Iraq.

[LnGrrrR]

I don't know. He's an American citizen with a passport, I presume. They may not know he was training but they knew how long he was in Pakistan.

So you would like the CIA/FBI/Intelligence agencies to track the actions of EVERY person who has flown/is living in Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, and various other countries hostile to us?

If we hadn't got lucky, all the forensics available in this case would have been spread over a pretty large blast radius and intermingled with a whole lot of collateral damage. That would have pretty much precluded a quick capture.

It's not the system, LnGrrrR; it's the luck.

You said the system had failed.

I'm telling you, the system is not DESIGNED to catch people within three days, so it's not a failure.

Were we lucky? Of course. That doesn't mean the system failed.

This is somewhat a poor analogy, but if your car makes it to 500,000 miles, and then craps out, does that mean the car is a 'failure'? Of course not. Are you lucky it lasted that long? Yes.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm sure he does, Yousef escaped to Pakistan and wasn't arrested until 1995.

I'm sorry, did I say Yousef escaped to Pakistan? I meant to say Iraq. I guess I was thrown by all the certainty -- on the Left -- that there was no al Qaeda in Iraq before the U.S. invasion of 2003.

Yousef was captured in Pakistan but, he first went to Iraq.

I'm sure terrorists passed through many countries, Barney.

[mogrovejo]

MSNBC reports cameras captured a 'white guy in his forties' running from the vehicle...

...Probably the work of tea-baggers upset with Jon Stewart who works for Viacom nearby. Most likely led by Tucker Carlson. Looks like he's as good a bomber as a dancer.

So, are you disappointed?

[jack sommerset]

So, are you disappointed?

You know he is along with many more bags like him. They hate america and want to blame america for,,,,,,,,, whatever.

[admiralsnackbar]

You know he is along with many more bags like him. They hate america and want to blame america for,,,,,,,,, whatever.

Sorry.

[Yonivore]

So you would like the CIA/FBI/Intelligence agencies to track the actions of EVERY person who has flown/is living in Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, and various other countries hostile to us?

No, just the ones they have on their watch lists.

Faisal Shahzad on Homeland Security List Since 1999

You said the system had failed.

I'm telling you, the system is not DESIGNED to catch people within three days, so it's not a failure.

Were we lucky? Of course. That doesn't mean the system failed.

Depends on of which "system" you speak.

If you're talking about the Homeland Security System, built after September 11, 2001, and designed to detect and prevent terrorist attacks -- before they happen, it couldn't have failed more miserably.

If you're talking about a system of law enforcement techniques used to identify, locate, capture, and detain the perpetrator of a crime, I've seen criminals caught a lot faster than in three days and with a whole lot less forensic evidence than was provided by this piece of jihadi trash and using a whole lot less sophisticated tools than these investigators had at their disposal.

Did it succeed? Well, he is in custody. But, that's more because of his failure than any "system" working.

This is somewhat a poor analogy, but if your car makes it to 500,000 miles, and then craps out, does that mean the car is a 'failure'? Of course not. Are you lucky it lasted that long? Yes.

Unless you're only 500,000 miles into a journey of 600,000 miles and you bought a car that was advertised to last a million miles.

Did that car fail? Absollutely. Are you lucky it lasted that long? Not if you're in the middle of Death Valley on July 15th, when it happens.

We got lucky. If that bomb had detonated, Janet Incompitano would still be trying to fit this into her right-wing, militia, tea bagger narrative and the Islamic terrorist that caused it would be back with his family in Pakistan.

[Yonivore]

So, are you disappointed?

MSNBC's Contessa Brewer sure was:

MSNBC's Contessa Brewer 'Frustrated' That Times Square Bomber Is a Muslim

[ChumpDumper]

That wasn't the question, yoni.

Are you disappointed?

[jack sommerset]

That wasn't the question, yoni.

Are you disappointed?

You said Yoni was disppointed. Could you explain?

[ChumpDumper]

You said Yoni was disppointed. Could you explain?

Sure, yoni is disappointed that the bomb didn't go off. Had it done so, he could have had a bigger political football to kick around.

Do you understand?

[jack sommerset]

Sure, yoni is disappointed that the bomb didn't go off. Had it done so, he could have had a bigger political football to kick around.

Do you understand?

No. He never said he was disappointed the bomb did not go off. What makes you think he is?

[ChumpDumper]

No. He never said he was disappointed the bomb did not go off. What makes you think he is?

It is quite easy to infer.

Do you understand what an inference is?

[jack sommerset]

It is quite easy to infer.

Do you understand what an inference is?

You can't explain.

[ChumpDumper]

You can't explain.

I just did.

You didn't understand.

Sorry.

[jack sommerset]

I just did.

You didn't understand.

Sorry.

No need to be sorry. Yoni never said or implied he was disappointed the bomb did not to go off. When you can, let me know.

[ChumpDumper]

No need to be sorry.

I am sorry you have such a poor understanding of the English language and most other things in general. I wouldn't wish that kind of handicap on anyone.

Yoni never said or implied he was disappointed the bomb did not to go off.

Sure he did. He does it with every post.

When you can, let me know.

Already did.

[jack sommerset]

Be specific.

[ChumpDumper]

Be specific.

Already was.

[ChumpDumper]

It is also very easy to infer that yoni is damning the Bush administration for not doing anything about this guy for eight years and taking his name off the Traveler Enforcement Compliance System list.

[ElNono]

Only because the bomb failed to detonate and they had an intact vehicle with all sorts of forensic evidence. Now, imagine if the SUV were in a couple million pieces intermingled with the debris from surrounding buildings and other nearby vehicles.

The Jihadist would be in Pakistan right now and Janet Incompitano would be searching every militia camp and Tea Party gathering in the nation for that poor sap that changed his shirt a couple blocks from the blast.

I deal in reality. From the point where the vehicle was discovered to the point where they identified and arrested the guy in basically under 72 hours, I thought they did, overall, a good job. You might disagree with me on that, and that's ok.

[jack sommerset]

I deal in reality. From the point where the vehicle was discovered to the point where they identified and arrested the guy in basically under 72 hours, I thought they did, overall, a good job. You might disagree with me on that, and that's ok.

Do you think Yoni was dispppointed the bomb didn't go off?

[jack sommerset]

Dumper of chumps can't prove Yoni is disappointed the NYC times bomb did not go off.

Let me demonstrate.

Dumper of all Chumps, can you prove Yoni wanted the bomb to go off?