Pink Floyd vs Led Zeppelin

[DBryant88]

Floyd

[The Gemini Method]

NO NO NO!! It's my car, I'm driving, we listen to what I want And when they have their own cars, they have my permission to listen to what they want.

Exactamundo...well, I don't have kids but when I drive my friends around--it's my eclectic taste or nothing at all...lol.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Well my assumption comes only from the definition of the word ignorant which means a lack of knowledge or awareness. Which is pretty much the same thing as saying someone doesn't "get it".

well, i don't think you would be called ignorant if you didn't know mandarin chinese. you just don't get it. can't "grasp" it. whatever you want to call it. i don't know. don't worry. don't try and save the world like everyone does here. it just is. i don't get liberian samba funk. doesn't make me ignorant.

[desflood]

NO NO NO!! It's my car, I'm driving, we listen to what I want And when they have their own cars, they have my permission to listen to what they want.

We settled eventually on Rihanna. She's no Led Zeppelin, but is still infinitely better than Ke$ha. You know how some days you just want some (relative) peace?

[mrsmaalox]

well, i don't think you would be called ignorant if you didn't know mandarin chinese. you just don't get it. can't "grasp" it. whatever you want to call it. i don't know. don't worry. don't try and save the world like everyone does here. it just is. i don't get liberian samba funk. doesn't make me ignorant.

I think you are just not getting the word ignorant.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I think you are just not getting the word ignorant.

i guess not.maybe one day i will.

[4chan]

lol at this pretentious flamer "graduating" from Zeppelin and Floyd.

Enojoy your King Crimson, got.

[tlongII]

been playing my instrument for 30 years. 20 of those i was privately taught. took many awards during high school. enter a statewide solo contest for UT-Arlington where they picked the top 3 players and got a chance to hang and play with gregg bissonette. i was one of those three. i've been in a many bands. many genres. i've played with bernard wright and chuck rainey, not at the same time, but i played hung out and conversed with them. i pretty much hang out and converse with musicians every damn day. have i jammed? why yes i have. i jammed with numerous musicians in a private and public setting. my favorite was at Duke's in montreaux switzerland over looking lake geneva back in '94 during the montreaux jazz festival. i remember we jammed mustang sally, horrible tune, and i played with a german bass player and a brasilian classical guitarist and a brasilian 8-string bass player with a cuban singer. that was a great night of music that lasted til about 4am. so yeah i kinda think i'm not so ignorant as you think, but keep rocking away.

Actually I have a similar background. Started playing trombone when I was 9 years old and won several awards in high school and played in several jazz groups. I've played with Dan Balmer, Paul Mazzio, and Tom Grant among others. I haven't picked up my horn in over 15 years, but I still love music. Be-bop is good stuff, but I prefer fusion. Fusion has always been my favorite. Spectrum and Crosswinds by Billy Cobham are two of my favorite albums.

[leemajors]

everyone won't like every genre. jazz is nothing but patterns like most music out there. in jazz there's the head, the melody. the b section and the bridge. the soloists solos over that pattern over and over til the end of the song. jazz is far from being "random chords". it's just chords you, and many others, aren't accustomed to. it's not a knock on you or anything. just stating what it is. now if you're listening to ornette coleman or sun ra then that's random, but that's avant garde jazz which is niche within itself.

thank you. free jazz is another thing entirely, but jazz is generally very structured.

[z0sa]

been playing my instrument for 30 years. 20 of those i was privately taught. took many awards during high school. enter a statewide solo contest for UT-Arlington where they picked the top 3 players and got a chance to hang and play with gregg bissonette. i was one of those three. i've been in a many bands. many genres. i've played with bernard wright and chuck rainey, not at the same time, but i played hung out and conversed with them. i pretty much hang out and converse with musicians every damn day. have i jammed? why yes i have. i jammed with numerous musicians in a private and public setting. my favorite was at Duke's in montreaux switzerland over looking lake geneva back in '94 during the montreaux jazz festival. i remember we jammed mustang sally, horrible tune, and i played with a german bass player and a brasilian classical guitarist and a brasilian 8-string bass player with a cuban singer. that was a great night of music that lasted til about 4am. so yeah i kinda think i'm not so ignorant as you think, but keep rocking away.

so you've known and done all this and still find what I said "too funny".
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[Leetonidas]

so you've known and done all this and still find what I said "too funny".
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He sounds like a pretentious chode pretty much. You used the words correctly to me.

[CuckingFunt]

I was listening to Led Zeppelin IV in the car this morning when the kids asked me to turn on the radio instead. So I turned it on... to Ke$ha. And realized that musical life as I know it is over.

My cousin, as a joke, facebooked me one of Ke$ha's videos. It made my soul ache. Literally. The lyrics made me weep o'er the fate of future generations.

[z0sa]

He sounds like a pretentious chode pretty much. You used the words correctly to me.

BTW, Astronomy Domine is one of my absolute favorite Floyd jams. I've heard a few different live renditions, all amazing, all 9+ minutes long

[Drachen]

NO NO NO!! It's my car, I'm driving, we listen to what I want And when they have their own cars, they have my permission to listen to what they want.

The rule is and has always been "The driver has to be comfortable." I utilize the crap out of this rule too because I have somehow slid into the gender-role of the male drives the car which is great because my wife likes country and I can't stand the stuff.

As to the arguement at hand: Led Zepplin is the one.

Also I can completely understand the guy who says that each band is made for 15 year olds (lyrically), I won't argue technical analysis of notes and stuff because I am not a musician and am not thusly trained.

Pink Floyd (TO ME) speaks to that lonely feeling that one has as a teenager (therefore the appeal of the aforementioned solo car ride listening to an album). It prompts introspection and goes into a certain "raging against the machine" of the collective that teenagers see everyone joining at the end of their teenager-dom. Its sad in some ways, and the more upbeat of the tunes are generally tounge-in-cheek attacks on the values that the collective holds.
Pink Floyd reminds me of an episode of the Simpsons that had the Smashing Pumkins where Lisa notices how all of the fans listening are into the music, but looking very disinterested, then Bart says "Making Teenagers Depressed, its like shooting fish in a barrel."

As far as Led Zepplin it speaks more to the raging hormones of the teenagers. Brash, heady, and with lyrical focus on, well, sex, Zep had just enough "art" (referencing Tolkien, violins in Kashmir, etc.) to appeal to those outside of the 12-25 year old male. Additionally, I think that their mastery of their instruments (which I believe to be considerable), appeals to a greater portion of those who will listen to the music.

I could be completely off base here, but I would bet that for those who grew up with both, they are more likely to prefer Zep over Pink because Zep helps them remember the fun part about youth. Invincibility, being headstrong, no compromises, sex, etc. Whereas Pink Floyd helps them remember the depressing part about their youth, and the fact that they have no joined the collective that they were so abhorrent of when they were and idealistic and naive child. I could be completely wrong here.

All of this is my opinion and is therefore far greater (in my opinion) than anyone elses.

[smeagol]

Floyd.

And I'm no teenager. Sorry bali . . .

[rjv]

zepellin

[Sisk]

Lz

[Drachen]

Oh and BTW, Jimmy Page for playing with Puff daddy on that one song, thus ruining my favorite song by Led Zepplin.

[balli]

what kind of music did you graduate to?

I don't know. Lot's of stuff- classical, a ton of roots music, Dylan, a lot of jazz.

In other words, other than face melting solos and psychedelic prog rock.

[CubanSucks]

I love both bands but Pink Floyd is my all time favorite. The guitar solo in Time is my favorite piece of music of any song of any band of any genre.



when the original solo kicks in at 0:15 the hair on the back of my neck just stands up

[Drachen]

I don't know. Lot's of stuff- classical, a ton of roots music, Dylan, a lot of jazz.

In other words, other than face melting solos and psychedelic prog rock.

Funny, I have liked all of those types of music at the same time, outside of jazz. Actually the only band that I know that I like that plays jazz is Mingo Fishtrap, and they are far heavier on the Soul than the Jazz. As far as Dylan goes, one of the worst things I think I have ever heard was from someone who went to see him live. I said, "WOW you saw Dylan live? How was it, great I bet" They said that they were thouroughly disappointed because "all he did was sit there and jam out blues style on his guitar the whole show, he didn't even play Layla." I almost cried that day.

[SpursNextRomanEmpire]

Pink Floyd

[LnGrrrR]

Pink Floyd (TO ME) speaks to that lonely feeling that one has as a teenager (therefore the appeal of the aforementioned solo car ride listening to an album). It prompts introspection and goes into a certain "raging against the machine" of the collective that teenagers see everyone joining at the end of their teenager-dom.

Eh, I don't think that a feeling of loneliness is limited to the teenage years. For instance, what about the lyrics

Then one day you'll come to find
Ten years have gone behind
No one told you when to run
You missed the starting gun

Those lyrics are just something a teenager doesn't have the wisdom to acknowledge. , I barely do, and I'm 28. Sure, it's said in plain words, but the truth behind them becomes more evident with each passing year. Specially for evil atheists like me who don't believe in an afterlife.

I could be completely off base here, but I would bet that for those who grew up with both, they are more likely to prefer Zep over Pink because Zep helps them remember the fun part about youth. Invincibility, being headstrong, no compromises, sex, etc. Whereas Pink Floyd helps them remember the depressing part about their youth, and the fact that they have no joined the collective that they were so abhorrent of when they were and idealistic and naive child. I could be completely wrong here.

I'm guessing you had little/no stoner friends?

[Kermit]

I don't know. Lot's of stuff- classical, a ton of roots music, Dylan, a lot of jazz.

In other words, other than face melting solos and psychedelic prog rock.

Balijuana doesn't like psychedelic rock? Shocker. David Gilmour pales in comparison to Tommy Chong.

[Drachen]

Eh, I don't think that a feeling of loneliness is limited to the teenage years. For instance, what about the lyrics

Then one day you'll come to find
Ten years have gone behind
No one told you when to run
You missed the starting gun

Those lyrics are just something a teenager doesn't have the wisdom to acknowledge. , I barely do, and I'm 28. Sure, it's said in plain words, but the truth behind them becomes more evident with each passing year. Specially for evil atheists like me who don't believe in an afterlife.



I'm guessing you had little/no stoner friends?

Au contraire, its just that as I have gotten older, the herd has thinned as far as stoner friends. As Daniel Tosh puts it so succinctly "no I don't want to smoke pot, I am an adult".

As far as "that lonely feeling" I recognize that it can happen at any time in life, but I think that the most prevalent time for the vast majority of the population is in the teenage years.