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most illegals don't commit those crimes though
Like rape, murder, robbery, molesting, car jacking, pros ution, drug dealing, kidnapping....Lots of things, just naming a few things
most illegals don't commit those crimes though
True but lots do.
2007 CBO Report of Illegal Alien's impact on State and Local Governments Budgets
I believe it's the latest you can find...
I really haven't read it all, but if you guys are truly interested in getting informed, there is an actual study based on about 15 years of state and local reports...
Can you summarize it for us?
Yep,I think we can forget the crime angle and still have plenty of valid reasons to make them unwelcome. Most the serious crimes are in the southern states, although there is still plenty per capita by them where I live. Almost as bad as crimes by blacks per capita.
Give me a link to them.
Here's an interesting on from that file:
Looks like an approximate Billion dollar loss to me.Another report—prepared by the state comptroller of
Texas—estimated that, in 2006, the state collected
$424 million more in revenue from unauthorized immigrants
than it spent to provide education, health care, and
law enforcement activities for that population. However,
the state estimated that local governments incurred
$1.4 billion in uncompensated costs for health care and
law enforcement.
How about unwelcome them on the basis that they didn't enter the country legally?
Another interesting tidbit from there:
Historically, most foreign-born residents, including unauthorized immigrants, have settled in a few states. In 1990, almost 75 percent of the total foreign-born population and almost 90 percent of unauthorized immigrants lived in six states: California, Florida, Illinois, New Jersey, New York, and Texas The concentration of that population in just a few states has been diminishing, however, as more immigrants settle in states not traditionally consid- ered destinations for recent immigrant populations. Using census data, Pew found that, in 2004, 10 times as many unauthorized immigrants lived outside the six traditional settlement states than in 1990. There was a marked increase in the number of unauthorized immigrants settling in states such as Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, and Tennessee—states that previously had little experience with such immigration. That phenomenon notwithstanding, unauthorized immigrants in most states make up a small portion of the state’s population. In California, however, where Pew estimates that one-quarter of all unauthorized immigrants live, those immigrants make up an estimated 8 percent of the total state population.
guess what is against the cons ution to have a income taxWhen can states pass state laws that override the Cons ution?
When can states grant/revoke US citizenship?
Any state that has Sharron Angle as a candidate is one ed up state.
Meanwhile, McLiar declares himslef the unMaverick and flip flops on every single position he has ever taken in desperation to keep his Senate seat. A principled man. McCain-Feingold anyone?
since when if is against the cons ion does it matter
and for your info
when the consition was written people got shot entering the country illegally!
people did not think of someone here illegally would actually be able to have a baby at a hospital!
I wonder what percentage of the state and local social services budget they use?
I wonder how much of California's budget problems they are?
What does it matter on what basis we unwelcome them? Political correctness? So you feel better? So we don't hurt someone's feelings?
There are many reasons why we should unwelcome them, and they should all be considered and grouped together into one big "STAY OUT" sign.
how the ing do you know it ing is not
No credible source. I was only asking for a credible source, champ. Looks like the "conservatives" here aren't very forthcoming.
I am not a conservative at all, nor am I a liberal....
I already told you, it costs a lot of money. WildCobra provided proof up there. $1 billion state loss for the year 2006. That's a of a lot of money for a state to lose.
who says he is not a crediable source
who makes a crediable source to you?
My point being the same point I've been making: We have plenty of those "STAY OUT" signs in the border. Doesn't seem to stop them from coming in though, do they?
If you don't get serious about stopping them from easily coming in, then what's the point of all these re ed laws?
You provided no proof.
Neither did WC.
It was ElNono.
Now we're getting somewhere.
OK, if there is a net loss in tax money -- what is the economic impact of illegal immigrants on prices of food, construction, landscaping, child care and other labor in which illegals are concentrated? Do they have a net effect on the prices of these things for the citizens of these states?
I certainly don't have the numbers for that, but I think that may give a more complete picture of the situation.
ElNono provided one.
This isn't rocket science.
I don't readily know, but looks like you could chop 25% of the problem by just addressing the issue in California alone.
I thought that was interesting.
Are you taking my metaphor literally?
1) We also have to kick out the millions upons millions of illegals already here
2) 100% securing the border is completely impossible. People will always find a way to smuggle humans in. So we have to make laws to discourage them from coming in the first place
3) The ideal solution would be to have a border that doesn't need expensive security. Illegals just don't want to come anymore. Problem solved!
People risks their own life to come here and you think you can legislate disincentives
That's just being naïve. The few disincentives you can create is by having the American economy in worst shape than the economy on their respective countries (or the opposite, that their economy improves beyond ours), or by securing the border enough such that supply of access is minimized to a point where it becomes unaffordable to the mass of illegal immigrants we have penetrating the border now. The rest is simply fantasy.
I don't claim we need 100% border control, but we can do considerably better than we currently are.
It is impossible to debate Chumop when he gets that way. No matter what you provide, he will ask another question, often just a bit different than the discussion.
Times like this are times to ignore the asshole.
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