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    how the can you measure global climate changes by limiting your samples to a single region?

    what a disaster.
    There are other paleoclimatology data that backs it all up.

    Why do you guys believe Hansen et. al. when they continue to remove the temperature data and stations they don't like?

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    We are moving closer to mar's co2 levels because we are pulling huge amounts of carbon from its storage, storage that occured naturally over millions of years, and disrupting things by spewing it visibly into our atmosphere.
    You're kidding, right? The atmospheres are so different, how can you credibly compare them?
    We are building a green house of our own, a greenhouse which will increase the suns affect, and put our way of life at risk.
    Natural greenhouse effects are very strong compared to any added CO2. Do you understand this:



    If we stop, we may not suffer as much, regardless what the sun does.
    Bull .

    Anthropogenic warming is small compared to natural forces. If you want to contribute CO2, then you should also consider our CO2 output is between 3% to 4% of natural CO2 output.
    Whatever the sun throws at us, it could always be worse. And we are doing our best to ensure that happens.
    My God man...

    Do you understand the nominal variation of the 11 year solar cycle alone?

    It is estimated the earth receives 174 peta-watts of solar energy. The 11 year cycle alone varies by about 0.1%. We correctly have about 0.24% more solar energy average per decade than before the industrial revolution.

    Can you tell me what 0.24% of 174 peta-watts is? can you compare that to the estimated global warming average over the same period?

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    Your point? can you show me something that definitively links the change in CO2 to the amount of warming we see? No. you cannot. I can however show you known scientific facts that link sea water temperature to partial gass pressure equilibrium.

    I'll bet you think methane and N2O are stronger greenhouse gasses than CO2. they make that information to trick people into believing lies. Don't let the term GWP fool you.

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    Please take some time and at least skim these works of Dr. Glassman's. I hope you are open to both sides:

    THE CAUSE OF EARTH'S CLIMATE CHANGE IS THE SUN

    CO2: "WHY ME?"

    THE ACQUITTAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE

    IPCC'S FATAL ERRORS

    Here is something from New Zealand:

    Crisis in New Zealand climatology first few paragraphs:

    May 15, 2010

    The warming that wasn't

    The official archivist of New Zealand’s climate records, the National Ins ute of Water and Atmospheric Research (NIWA), offers top billing to its 147-year-old national mean temperature series (the “NIWA Seven-station Series” or NSS). This series shows that New Zealand experienced a twentieth-century warming trend of 0.92°C.

    The official temperature record is wrong. The instrumental raw data correctly show that New Zealand average temperatures have remained remarkably steady at 12.6°C +/- 0.5°C for a century and a half. NIWA’s doctoring of that data is indefensible.
    This is of interest too:

    700 Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism of "Man-Made" Global Warming Alarm

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    The Cause of the Earth's Climate Change Is the Sun
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    The CrossFit Journal is proud to present this extraordinary article by Dr. Jeff Glassman. Formerly the Division Chief Scientist for Missile Development and Microelectronics Systems Divisions for Hughes Aircraft, Dr. Glassman has dedicated his career to improving the quality of science methodology among his peers and the community at large.

    For years he has been disturbed by the lack of credible science identifying human activity as a cause of global warming. This paper is the latest of six papers published on his blog, Rocket Scientist’s Journal, and the first to advance the Sun as the cause of global climate change in the fine detail of the temperature record since the invention of the thermometer.

    Dr. Glassman is the first scientist to show that the modern temperature record is contained in the reconstructed history of solar activity, and to advance a model for how that occurs. In his model, the ocean acts to absorb solar energy and return it to the atmosphere decades to centuries later, causing certain patterns in the Sun’s activity to be suppressed and other patterns to be reinforced as they affect Earth’s climate. The variations in the Sun’s activity are small, but are quickly amplified by clouds. This is a novel model for cloud reflectivity, called cloud albedo, in which increases in solar activity cause decreases in cloud cover by direct atmospheric warming, allowing more sunlight to reach Earth’s surface.

    This rapid decrease in cloud cover to solar activity runs opposite to the slow increase in cloud cover caused by global warming, which adds humidity to the atmosphere to increase cloudiness. In this way, he says cloud albedo regulates Earth’s surface temperature in warm interglacial periods, capping Earth’s temperature within a few degrees of the present temperature. This, he says, doesn’t stop the greenhouse effect, but reduces its effect by at least one fourth. In the deep cold of the glacial minima known as ice ages, he notes that the atmosphere will be extremely dry and cloudless, turning off any greenhouse effect. In this condition, Earth’s temperature is controlled by the albedo effect of the surface because it is then covered by ice and snow, turning off the Sun and leaving Earth’s temperature to be the result of its internal heat.

    Because the Sun variations match Earth’s temperature extremely well, human activities can be ruled out as a cause of observed global warming. However, the global warming movement, since 1988 headed by the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), claims that the “fingerprint” of human activities are found in climate related measurements. Dr. Glassman investigates each of these claims and shows how they are false and scientific error.

    In his first paper on climate, Jeff showed that the pattern of the solubility of CO2 in water as it varies with temperature is found in the ice core record. From this result, he concluded that the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is a result of global warming, and not the reverse. This, he noted, is confirmed by the fact that the CO2 concentration lags temperature at various rates, with a dominant component at about one millennium, the cycle time of the ocean conveyor belt. He also noted that this natural source of CO2 into the atmosphere is missing from IPCC’s climate models.

    In his second paper, Jeff responded to criticisms from a noted federal government champion of human-caused (anthropogenic) global warming, known as AGW. In this third paper, he showed the evidence for concluding that CO2 does not ac ulate in the atmosphere, an assumption essential to the human-caused global warming notion. In his fourth paper, he showed how Earth’s climate is strongly correlated with one measurement of solar activity, the solar wind, a phenomenon missing from IPCC’s models. He shows that connection is approximately twice as strong as the connection between climate and the El Niño/La Niña effect, which IPCC claims exacts a terrible toll on humanity.

    In his fifth paper, Jeff do ents eight flaws in IPCC’s climate modeling, each of which is sufficient to invalidate AGW and IPCC’s work.

    His sixth paper, reproduced here in the CrossFit Journal, draws from his earlier papers, which are critical of IPCC’s modeling efforts. It critiques IPCC’s fingerprint claims, but states a novel, positive model for Earth’s climate, one that stems from discovery of Earth’s entire record of temperature measurements in the radiation from the Sun.

    About the Author: In addition to climate and economic research, Dr. Glassman is Chief Scientist for CrossFit, and is the author Evolution in Science, Hollowbrook, 1992, currently being prepared as a series for the CrossFit Journal. Additional biographical information is on the last page of the Solar Global Warming file. His blog is the Rocket Scientist’s Journal.

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    I will read through all of these materials when I can.

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