Hawks considering trading Josh Smith

[ChumpDumper]

If Hill is nothing more than a backup 2-guard in the Spurs' eyes, they need to deal him for a comparable talent in a bigger body or who plays a different position. Period.

Eh, he might be able to learn more. That doesn't change the past though.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't trust Josh Smith..this was the first season where he actually put his game together and played like he's supposed to with his talent, but he showed signs of crumbling and was exposed later on in the season and during pressure situations..

He's a good defensive player, but really overrated..his great shot-blocking/altering skills would obviously be a huge help for the Spurs, but he's not a good man defender and his IQ is questionable..he would obviously be a huge help there though, since he can guard outside big men..so he would add mobility in the frontcourt and shot blocking, obviously a huge need for the Spurs, but he's still very overrated as a defender..

The problem is that his scoring is so horrible, and this team still has scoring droughts at key times..you also have to account for the fact that there's a realistic possibility that Manu and Duncan continue to see a potential decline in offense next season..a healthy Parker is a legitimate scoring threat that scores very efficiently, especially if he regains his 2009 form..Josh Smith should be a #4 scoring option on a top team, he's inconsistent and has no jump shot..

Then, like 024 said, you would have to account for the massive change of style and the time it would take for chemistry to develop..the Hawks run arguably the easiest system in the NBA among playoff teams..they run by far the most isolation plays in the NBA, and they run a simplistic switching defense scheme..this will change with Woodson's terrible coaching gone, but this is what Smith is accustomed to..

I don't think it's worth it, since the Spurs only have 1 year to win IMO..

[coyotes_geek]

Josh Smith is one of those players whom I enjoy watching, but I don't really want on my team.

[My Fault]

I must be the only one who watched the Spurs play last year. Hill was at the point but it was Manu running the offense. Hill only ran PnR and hit open shots. Parker by a long shot is better than Hill right now. I'm not a Parker fanboy and wouldn't be opposed to trading him for the right player. However if that's done then the chances at a Ship this year are done and the rebuilding has begun.

[Cane]

Hill's a more versatile defender than Tony Parker since his length allows him to bother forwards in addition to guards. He did get manhandled by Steve Nash but thats what premier PG's do to newer players (remember Hill was just a sop re at the time playing his first serious role in the playoffs) ala Jason Kidd vs Parker back in the day. Nash had some great stats against the two-peat Laker champions as well FWIW. Hill was also the starter in the series the Spurs ended up winning as well while Parker came off the bench, again FWIW.

George Hill is still a work in progress at the point however its hard to discount how impressive the Spurs were without Tony Parker this season. It was easily the most difficult stretch of the season and they managed to win against some of the best teams in the NBA by playing PG by committee - Manu, Temple, and Hill.

IIRC, both Parker and Hill's deals are expiring as well so thats some serious $$$ to s out in the near future. Maybe RJ opting out and a possible trade exception through a S&T can help on this end though.

Still, a healthy Parker is one of the best scorers in the NBA and an incredibly efficient player. However if I was Tony Parker it might be too hard to resist trying to get a max deal under the CBA especially after seeing Joe Johnson get that monster contract. There could be some serious discussion behind closed doors but unless a great deal comes along, its best to stick with the championship core for at least one last run.

A Bibby/Smith for Parker/McDyess seems too intriguing to pass up though.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Josh Smith can't shoot, but Matt Bonner can. Matt Bonner can't rebound, defend, block shots, run the floor, and doesn't have athletic ability- Josh Smith does. A Duncan/Splitter/Smith front court is worlds better defensively than a Duncan/Bonner/RJ front court. And some people here have forgotten that defense wins championships.

As an addendum to this, Matt Bonner can't shoot, at least not in the playoffs.

[Bruno]

Bruno, in the history of the NBA the team that dominates the paint wins championships. .....

What a damn long post... You should have a lot of time to waste.

I guess we can all agree that Having quality bigmen is very important to win a championship but I don't see where is the logic in what you said. I don't see how Wilt Chamberlain or Bill Russell being great and leading teams to championships have a link with Josh Smith.

I think that Josh Smith is a great athlete but nowhere near a great player. Parker is significantly better than him and will help Spurs way more than him... ...even if he is a PG.

[Lackluster]

with the more athletic, versatile, and beefed up front line of duncan/splitter/smith our need for an elite point guard decreases. especially with the kind of passing game smith brings.

hill isn't as efficient as parker as far as getting into the paint and sucking in the defense, but he has the speed to get in there, just at a lower frequency. i think smith's overall offensive game would offset that advantage tony has over hill.

the biggest gain though would be the spurs get that athletic shot blocking presence next to tim duncan. the fact that smith has the added offensive tools is only icing on the cake.

on the other hand tony had an off year and it's easy to forget the 27/7 playoff series he's had against teams like phx and dallas and the way he carried the team at the end of the 09 season much the way gino did this year. he's a mismatch for any team (especially LA). and he'll likely be healthy this year and put up numbers that should match or surpass his 08 year - we sure could have used a 22/7 guy last year. i think tony can be that player this year, but we'd be a much better defensive team with smith.

[Bruno]

And the Parker/Hill/Ginobili back-court works damn well. I don't know why people are worried about or want to break it. These players complement each other very well.

[UnWantedTheory]

I think most just want to try to shake things up because everyone knows we are not good enough as is.

[gospursgojas]

Does everyone here forget how Hill couldn't stay if front of Nash to save his life?

[tim_duncan_fan]

And the Parker/Hill/Ginobili back-court works damn well. I don't know why people are worried about or want to break it. These players complement each other very well.

Smith, Duncan, and Splitter is a huge front line.

We would get Bibby back, and if we got Teague instead, we could just sign a vet PG while the 2 young guards learned. An elite point guard wouldn't be necessary.


C Splitter, Dice,
PF Duncan, Blair, Bonner
SF Smith, Hairston
SG Ginobili, Anderson, Temple
PG Bibby, Hill, Temple


Nice mix of vet, youth, athleticism, size, speed


Face it guys. The smallish, Duncan-at-center, inathletic lineups we've played the last few years aren't going to win anything. This team may not win the championship but last years team isn't gonna get it done either.

Time to mix it up. Something's got to give and at the end of the day, Tim and Manu are still there.

[Bruno]

Tim Duncan is playing the role of Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell. Josh Smith is playing the role of a player who will make things easier for the Spurs on the defensive end. You totally didn't get the point of my post.

So you just go back to the 60s to say that Josh Smith will help Spurs on the defensive end?

It could have been said in one sentence.

[SpursTillTheEnd]

stop bringing stats into this i off of what i seen and what i seen is hill>parker, stop bringng up the suns series kobe/parker got burnt worse then hill did, and yes hill played pg when parker was out, some of yall need to go be rocket fans ing pussies

[ElNono]

IIRC, both Parker and Hill's deals are expiring as well so thats some serious $$$ to s out in the near future. Maybe RJ opting out and a possible trade exception through a S&T can help on this end though.

The Spurs have a team option on Hill for the 2011/12 season of $2,086,359 that I'm sure they will pick up. There's also a qualifying offer of $3,079,466 for the 2012/13 season.

[Cane]

The Spurs have a team option on Hill for the 2011/12 season of $2,086,359 that I'm sure they will pick up. There's also a qualifying offer of $3,079,466 for the 2012/13 season.

Ah, thanks for the heads up.

[ElNono]

If Hill is nothing more than a backup 2-guard in the Spurs' eyes, they need to deal him for a comparable talent in a bigger body or who plays a different position. Period.

Georgie is set to make 1.1 million this season... You're not going to get equal talent for that amount. Being on the rookie scale, he's very cheap for what he brings.

[Seventyniner]

The Spurs have a team option on Hill for the 2011/12 season of $2,086,359 that I'm sure they will pick up. There's also a qualifying offer of $3,079,466 for the 2012/13 season.

Yup, that's the nice thing about having a productive rookie (especially one drafted at the end of the first round): you get 4 years (potentially 5) of cheap service.

[Vic Petro]

I have been very open minded to Tony Parker trades throughout this offseason. I even advocated exploring trades for him last offseason when he was really at peak value.

However, Tony for Smith is not a good move. The beauty of the Spurs during our run was that while we could stifle you on the defensive end, we still had enough guys with offensive brilliance that an opposing defense could not stop all of them: Duncan, Parker, Manu. If you trade Tony for Smith, who is left on our roster to put the ball into the basket?

Duncan is not your primary scorer any longer. Manu, with his minutes limited, will score in the mid teens. Smith is maddening on the offensive end. We would be a very easy team to keep around 90pts and while our defense would be improved, the days of holding teams to 84pts every game are over.

These days, for a small market, if you are going to pay a guy $10+ million he better be able to put the ball in the basket.

[My Fault]

Smith, Duncan, and Splitter is a huge front line.

We would get Bibby back, and if we got Teague instead, we could just sign a vet PG while the 2 young guards learned. An elite point guard wouldn't be necessary.


C Splitter, Dice,
PF Duncan, Blair, Bonner
SF Smith, Hairston
SG Ginobili, Anderson, Temple
PG Bibby, Hill, Temple


Nice mix of vet, youth, athleticism, size, speed


Face it guys. The smallish, Duncan-at-center, inathletic lineups we've played the last few years aren't going to win anything. This team may not win the championship but last years team isn't gonna get it done either.

Time to mix it up. Something's got to give and at the end of the day, Tim and Manu are still there.

Smith can't play SF

[ChumpDumper]

stop bringing stats into this i off of what i seen and what i seen is hill>parker, stop bringng up the suns series kobe/parker got burnt worse then hill did, and yes hill played pg when parker was out, some of yall need to go be rocket fans ing pussies

Are you from Oak Cliff?

[yavozerb]

Smith can't play SF

Agreed....He may be able to defend some 3's but on offense there is no way anyone in there right mind would defend this guys outside shooting.

[ohmwrecker]

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[JustinJDW]

The would be, without a doubt, the most absolute stupidest thing the Hawks Organization could do.

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