Senate Bill S510 Makes it illegal to Grow, Share, Trade or Sell Homegrown Food

[boutons_deux]

"police the world"

All serious police forces have "police of the police", aka "internal investigation", to root out crooked, corrupt cops

Who's going to police the US's corrupt, crooked police?

[bigzak25]

Well I've suggested in another thread before that Congress should have internal ethics auditors that have unlimited access to financial records, etc.

As for the President...the People of the United States will police him or her as they will vote their asses out of office if they do not do as they promise.

[boutons_deux]

"Congress should have internal ethics auditors that have unlimited access to financial records"

Congress policing itself? GMAFB

[bigzak25]

policing each other.

the democrats police the republicans and vice versa as it is.

but you are right, the system is a spiderweb of bribes and I believe integrity is a curse word on capital hill.

so external auditors to begin with would be a good start.

[bigzak25]

Obama preaches transparency, lets hold him to his word.

Time to walk the walk Mr. President.

[boutons_deux]

"Democrats police the republicans and vice versa as it is."



A wonderful, msyterious coincidence that two BLACK Dems are getting taken down right in the middle of the race-baiting/racist Repugs' campaign to win back Congress.

[LnGrrrR]

As for the opinion that we should just mind our own business. Well, you can play that head in the sand game for only so long. The bad guys will not go away on their own. They will only grow stronger if the problem is ignored. You might feel that these wars are not at your doorstep, but you are wrong. I don't expect a taliban jihadist to show up at your door with a bomb around his chest, but I do expect them to target our economy and also to target our dependence on the oil of the middle east.

Why do you think they're so mad at us? Could it possibly be because we're occupying their country?

We've lost more people to war than we did during 9/11. And that's just the American side of it.

It is doomed to failure soon enough, but a nuke here...a nuke there...and this war is on your doorstep whether you like it or not. When the money you have in your wallet and in your accounts is just worthless paper. When the gas stops flowing at the corner store. When you no longer get electricity at your houses. When the water stops running...or stops being trusted as good enough to drink.

Tell me, do you think it's really that easy to set off a nuke in the United States? Is it worth spending millions of dollars fighting in another country? Do you think the Iraq War has done anything to prevent the possibility of someone setting off a nuke in America?

Then we will feel the suffering that all these oppressed people in all these other countries are feeling right now. You don't want to care for them because you feel you are better then them or something? Just because you were blessed to be born in the USA? What a spoiled brat we have become. Wake up. We should be leading the way to peace and prosperity for the whole world.

Just because we recognize poverty doesn't mean we can fix it. Bad stuff happens; the US can't fix everything. Doesn't mean we don't feel for those people, but there's limits on what we can achieve. Our military is already stretched thin as it is; according to your proposal we'd be starting wars in 5 or so new countries.

The technology and resources are there to accomplish this. We only lack the will.
The time is now.

We don't have the resources.

[bigzak25]

Tell me, do you think it's really that easy to set off a nuke in the United States? Is it worth spending millions of dollars fighting in another country? Do you think the Iraq War has done anything to prevent the possibility of someone setting off a nuke in America?

I think the Iraq war was a good fight, even if it wasn't driven by pure motivations. I'm glad Saddam is gone. As for whether it is easy to set off a nuke in the US, I would say apparently not, as one hasn't been set off yet, but just because something is not easy, does not mean it is impossible.

And yes, I think investing any amount of our worthless money is worth it to liberate other people from oppression. Not saying that is what the US is doing though. I understand our occupying nature at the moment.

Just because we recognize poverty doesn't mean we can fix it. Bad stuff happens; the US can't fix everything. Doesn't mean we don't feel for those people, but there's limits on what we can achieve. Our military is already stretched thin as it is; according to your proposal we'd be starting wars in 5 or so new countries.

The US and it's allies could make an effort to 'fix everything'. If it is the 'good fight' to fight oppression and not to just go after natural resources for our greedy selves, then I could see a more than willing alliance being formed. And I am not saying that we try to squash all the roaches at once. Patience and persistence.

We don't have the resources.

Do you really believe that? All the waste that goes on in this country and all the resources that are spent on destructive technology and you don't believe we have the resources for helping the oppressed? C'mon man.



I feel I will be leaving the Political forum, as I feel I am venturing into Anti-Christ advisor territory and after praying about it, I am content to let it all burn down as I feel it is God's will, and the only way to have humanity turn back to Him.

So Good morning, Godbless, and if I don't see you...Good night.

[LnGrrrR]

I am content to let it all burn down as I feel it is God's will, and the only way to have humanity turn back to Him.

Tsk tsk. That's not very Christian of you. After all, if you really have compassion for your fellow man, as the Good Book tells us too, then you should be more willing to try to spare them, wouldn't you?

As far as destructive technology, one would think that if anything were destructive, it would be guns and weapons of war. Yet you seem to think we should be using more of these to liberate peoples in other lands. How do you explain that dichotomy?

[Nbadan]

...self-determination...the Iraqi people will be free when the US is gone and they get to vote for and in-power their own chosen leaders...that's the missing ingredient.....

[Nbadan]

....if this thread had Angle-Luv instead of Bigsak it would have 20,000 hits by now.....

[Parker2112]

Despite massive protests, US Senate passes S 510 Food Safety Bill


Mike Adams
NaturalNews
November 30, 2010
The new Food Tyranny Act — called the “Food Safety Modernization Act” in the U.S. Senate — has been passed by the senate today. It would give the FDA vast ew powers to criminalize and imprison farmers and food producers while doing absolutely nothing to address to real root of the food contamination problem: Factory animal farm operations (which are regulated under the USDA, not the FDA).

The bill passed 73 to 25, with Sen Tom Coburn (R-Oklahoma) emerging as the greatest “voice of reason” in the debate. His last-ditch amendment to reduce the scale of the bill was defeated this morning.

Here’s the official vote record: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L…

Notably, there wasn’t a single Democrat who opposed the bill.

Progress?

[Wild Cobra]

The vote on this amendment is very telling and should be a concern, even to you lib s:

Amendment:

Statement of Purpose:

In the nature of a subs ute, to modernize Federal food safety efforts without placing unnecessary burdens on food producers, increasing food prices, or saddling taxpayers with additional debt.

YEAs ---36
Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Brown (R-MA)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Kyl (R-AZ)
LeMieux (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Thune (R-SD)
Wicker (R-MS)

NAYs ---62
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Conrad (D-ND)
Coons (D-DE)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Hagan (D-NC)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kirk (R-IL)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
Manchin (D-WV)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Specter (D-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (D-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 2
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)