Parker tells Facebook world he'll return to international compe ion next summer

[temujin]

Yes it does:

What do I mean by this? As I expressed before, my two previous experiences on the Olympics where the best thing that ever happened to me as an athlete, including the NBA rings, European championships and everything I lived on my almost 15 years of career, and I have no doubts in my head that I would like to live that again. I know the qualification won’t be easy either. That’s why my intention is to also play the pre Olympic tournament in 2011 that I understand have great chances to be organized in Argentina. It would be really nice to play an official championship on our own home court with our people after a decade (the only one was in 2001 in Neuquen) don’t you think? The idea is to accomplish the qualification and then yes, play my last (very possibly but one never knows) championship with the guys and with the white and blue in my chest.

After what happened in Beijing 2008, the surgery, the two fractures and the horrid 2008-2009 season, it took me a whole lot of time to be back in shape and recover my game. It has been two years already since I haven’t been able to have a good pre season conditioning,; the 2008 one, because of the games themselves and doubts about my ankle and the 2009 one to recover from my last fracture. Then I would like to take advantage of this recess to be physically 10 points, have a great 2010-2011 season and then, be in optimal condition both mentally and physically to qualify in 2011 and then play the London Olympics in 2012. Just in case, I would like to clarify that the Spurs have nothing to do with my decision and that in fact they told me they have no issues with me playing in 2011 and 2012.

http://usa.manuginobili.com/ginobili_100424.html

Manu said it in a more brutal way.
Sorry pals that's the way it is.

[temujin]

You can tell Manu what you think at the sites:

http://www.facebook.com/ManuGinobili

http://twitter.com/manuginobili

http://usa.manuginobili.com/





We remember. Still funny.

I think Manu already made my point very clear.

[Mel_13]

Manu said it in a more brutal way.
Sorry pals that's the way it is.

I think Manu already made my point very clear.

Nice try, but here's your OP on the subject:

Whether they like or not, international players will spend a few years in the US,
get vastly overpayed,
winning nothing,
and actually not caring much about winning anything,
bring all that money home,
where they will spend the rest of their lives, surrounded by people that will only remember what they did for their NT.

While Manu, Scola, and Oberto will be best remembered in Argentina for their NT accomplishments, they clearly don't meet the first part of your post.

Generally speaking, players that achieve great things for their NTs have a winning spirit and care about winning for their club teams as well.

So, sorry about that, but Manu disproves the point you asserted in your OP. In fact you admitted as much in a later post in that same thread:

This is what makes Emanuel Ginobili so special.

I spotted this fire burning in him the very first game I watched, back in 2000.

Emanuel Ginobili is one of the reasons I am watching NBA basketball.

Anything else?

[Josepatches_]

Everybody knows he's going to play next summer.He wants to play in London 2012.France could win one spot next summer in the Eurobasket or they will have to play the pre-olympic in June 2012.
Pau Gasol is going to play the Eurobasket for the same reason.

The problem isn't only next summer.It will be next summer + 2012 summer.

[temujin]

You said it differently that time, Temujin. I agreed with you before, but not this time.

Non-American players are remembered back home for what they accomplish with their NT. Tony and Manu will be enshrined here. Their numbers will be retired, and their jersies hung in the rafters. We are more than willing to celebrate non-American players, and treat them as "one of our own" - regardless of where they came from.

The only NT that most Americans even remember is the original Dream Team. It was the first time we were able to send professionals (unlike many other countries, but that's another story). We actually sent our best players, and demolished the compe ion on the way to the gold medal. But even most Spurs fans think that David Robinson was on Dream Team II also. That's because they completely forget about the 1994 Worlds, which Team USA won handily. (Robinson was on Dream Team III, in the 96 Olympics.)

Bottom line... we love international players. We're just not overwhelmed with the level of play in international compe ions. Most French fans really don't give a about any player, unless he comes from France and plays for the French NT. That's why it always kills me when they talk about American fans the way they do.

Yes, BACK HOME, where they will spend the rest of their lives.

I can very well understand that watching a group of EU soccer stars "demolish" a representative of say, Indiana, would not be entirely thrilling.
Yet, for many of the US team players - and some are very good- the WC is the only le they will ever win. Including Durant, unless he leaves OKC.

As for the fact that NBA fans treat international players as "one of your own", and certainly so Spurs fans, I absolutely believe it.
My point was the opposite: do interntional players treat you as one of "their own"?

[temujin]

Nice try, but here's your OP on the subject:



While Manu, Scola, and Oberto will be best remembered in Argentina for their NT accomplishments, they clearly don't meet the first part of your post.

Generally speaking, players that achieve great things for their NTs have a winning spirit and care about winning for their club teams as well.

So, sorry about that, but Manu disproves the point you asserted in your OP. In fact you admitted as much in a later post in that same thread:



Anything else?

Manu has just stated what the most important accomplishements in his career are: two medals, including a bronze one, with the national team.

Period.

The player that epitomizes a winninig spirit -anywhere and anywhen- has clarified his point.

Can you imagine what do the vast majority of the dozens NBA players NOT born in the US think of their accomplishments in the NBA, aside from fattening the bank account?
The Diaws, Stojakovics, Turkoglus, Krstics, Udrihs and the likes?

[Mel_13]

Manu has just stated what the most important accomplishements in his career are: two medals, including a bronze one, with the national team.

Period.

The player that epitomizes a winninig spirit -anywhere and anywhen- has clarified his point.

Can you imagine what do the vast majority of the dozens NBA players NOT born in the US think of their accomplishments in the NBA, aside from fattening the bank account?
The Diaws, Stojakovics, Turkoglus, Krstics, Udrihs and the likes?

If you can't see how this post directly contradicts your OP on the subject, I can't help you. I'll leave you to your delusions.

[Blackjack]

If you can't see how this post directly contradicts your OP on the subject, I can't help you. I'll leave you to your delusions.

I can think of nothing better than being allowed to do so, and I always appreciate it when my man, Obi, allows me to do so as well.

[temujin]

"Sorry honey, I married you, you made me rich, you are "wonderfull", the mother of my kids: but that woman, that woman is just something else. Sorry about that, I can't help it".

"Dont' worry, honey, go ahead, I still love you!!!!!"

All this is just wonderfull!!!!

[Mel_13]

"Sorry honey, I married you, you made me rich, you are "wonderfull", the mother of my kids: but that woman, that woman is just something else. Sorry about that, I can't help it".

"Dont' worry, honey, go ahead, I still love you!!!!!"

All this is just wonderfull!!!!

You really didn't need to share the words of those voices that only you can hear.

[Blackjack]

"Sorry honey, I married you, you made me rich, you are "wonderfull", the mother of my kids: but that woman, that woman is just something else. Sorry about that, I can't help it".

"Dont' worry, honey, go ahead, I still love you!!!!!"

All this is just wonderfull!!!!

My delusions are much better, iibh,aimca,aitm-fob,kotmm, tbh.

[alchemist]

TP will be a Knick next year let him do whatever the he wants.

[temujin]

You really didn't need to share the words of those voices that only you can hear.

Sure, just hearing the laughters of the dozens players..........

Oh and don't forget to put those "rings" on your sig, while you are being hit by Manu's bronze medal.




No limit to the wondefulness of mankind.

[Mel_13]

Sure, just hearing the laughters of the dozens players..........

You hear dozens of different voices? That may account for the several versions of your "point". Frankly, I've lost count. I am certain that you have contradicted, in a quite convincing manner, your original point on this subject.

[BillMc]

Is it possible Parker knows he can play internationally next summer because he's likely to have a lot of time to rest up during the coming NBA lock out?

Its the full summer, then straight into an NBA season's that brutal. Just a thought....

[temujin]

Whether they like or not, international players will spend a few years in the US,

Yes. 4 or 5 on average.

get vastly overpayed,

Yes. 1) they improve their earnings 5-10 times compared to what they make elsewhere. 2) there seem to be talks about how much NBA players are overpayed, in general.

winning nothing,

Out of 83 non American players listed by the NBA site, including Duncan,
70 have won nothing in the NBA. Zero.



and actually not caring much about winning anything,

Yes, I DO assume that players not employed by LA, Boston, Cleveland, Suns -4 best teams last year- Orlando and I will very generously add the Spurs, ARE not playing to win anything.
That means 11 players (out of 83) and that includes Duncan. It also includes maihinmi.


bring all that money home,

OK. I should probably correct this: non American players might actually spend some money while on duty.

where they will spend the rest of their lives,

Yes.

surrounded by people that will only remember what they did for their NT.

Yes, that's for sure.

While Manu, Scola, and Oberto will be best remembered in Argentina for their NT accomplishments, they clearly don't meet the first part of your post.

Generally speaking, players that achieve great things for their NTs have a winning spirit and care about winning for their club teams as well.

So, sorry about that, but Manu disproves the point you asserted in your OP.


3 out 83.
Scola won nothing in the NBA.
Oberto and Ginobili did.
So you are citing 2 of the 13 players that won something.

That sounds like an exception to a rule.
It's even more of an exception because you cite Ginobili, the ONLY player in basketball history to have won at ALL levels.
National chanpionships in Italy (two levels)
Euroleague
NBA
Olympics.

So Ginobili can be defined as super-exception to the RULE I mentioned above.
Which can also be phrased in this more direct way:
non American players care more about their NT than about their employers.
Now, Mr. Ginobily, the ultimate winner as I recognize he is, has unequivocably stated how much he rates the THREE les he won in San Antonio: less than the Olympic medals, including the bronze one.
A 100 hard fought games among the elite, against a handful FIBA games in summertime.
Millions against next to zero money.
Mr. Ginobili goes for the zro money and the summer games.

He also stated that he will play in the largely irrelevant FIBA tournement in 2011, to make SURE he will be playing in London in 2012.
Whether the club that has just extended his contract with $40 millions more likes it or not.
Thus further proving my point.
He sure will be remembered forever in his country. I guarantee you that.

Coming back to the topic of the thread, Mr. Parker, as a winner another contradiction to my "rule",
supposedly negotiating an extension with the Spurs beyond 2011,
and coming from a season with half a dozen injuries,
has clearly stated that he will play for France in Euro 2011.
A tournement France has vaguely remote chances to win. And that's a huge undertatement, indeed.
It's also an indication that Mr Parker, NBA finals MVP, 3 les and multi-multi millionaire, ALSO thinks that it is time to be remembered by his countrymen.

GSH got MY point spot on, and replied with very readable messages.
All you did was misunderstand and be arrogant, with me and GSH.

I remember reading a couple of messages of yours a few months back and they weren't that stupid.
However, I don't like to play chess with people that can only foresee, say, the next 3 plays, maximum.

[Mel_13]

lots of words that still fail to account for the simple fact that your later posts on the subject contradict your OP on the subject

As I've already said, I'll leave you to your delusions.

[temujin]

1 play.
maximum.

[Mel_13]

1 play.
maximum.

You're losing the game to this guy:

Whether they like or not, international players will spend a few years in the US,
get vastly overpayed,
winning nothing,
and actually not caring much about winning anything,
bring all that money home,
where they will spend the rest of their lives, surrounded by people that will only remember what they did for their NT.

No amount of misdirection, obfuscation, snarky retorts, or color-coded posts will change that simple fact.

[temujin]

You're losing the game to this guy:



No amount of misdirection, obfuscation, snarky retorts, or color-coded posts will change that simple fact.

Absolutely.
Normal posters got it.
The cut and paster doesn't, even with the colors.

[Mel_13]

We do agree on one thing. Your cut and paste, color-coded attempt to direct attention away from your subsequent self-contradictions has failed.

[MannyIsGod]

Man, the best thing about FIFA is how well they run the international games. I'd be pissed if the LA Galaxy or some club in Germany kept our best soccer players from playing.