The Times, the Mosque and Islam -- No Moral Nuance

[Blake]

It's perceived as an "in our face" insult.

What tangible victory are "they" laying claim too?

If anything, the "victory" for "them" is that we are rising up against this Islamic community center because we are afraid of them.

[Blake]

It's not about fear. It's about respect.

So opposers have a lack of respect for other religions. Got it.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I agree that not everyone that opposes the mosque is Islamophobic. The crux of the matter here is that Islamophobic dirt bags hide behind them. There's a simple way to root the Islamophobic ignorant from the rest... ask him why?

If he answers like DarrinS, Yoni or Jack, you've pretty much got one.

[Winehole23]

You're are a ing idiot.

Prager is a jackpot of begged questions and logical fallacies like yourself. If saying so makes me an idiot in your eyes, that's a badge I'll wear with pride.

[LnGrrrR]

Size and proximity to GZ. Already said it a million times.

Would you care to explain why? Is it because you find it offensive? Sorry, but that's not enough of a reason to move something. I'm sure you can figure out why.

Could you even explain what a "reasonable" proximity and size would be?

[LnGrrrR]

It's not about fear. It's about respect.

You're aware some Muslims died on 9/11 too, right?

Remember, respect works both ways.

[Blake]

I agree that not everyone that opposes the mosque is Islamophobic.

I'm fine with that if you can please let me in on how they justify their opposition.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I'm fine with that if you can please let me in on how they justify their opposition.

Well, I'm sure there are some people still mourning for relatives lost that oppose it out of grief rather than fear. I think its pretty close minded and partisan to argue against that possibility.

[Wild Cobra]

No, that's not it at all, actually.

Thanx.

For a moment, I thought I missed a nuance.

[Wild Cobra]

So you support those who are against the building of the community center.

I only support their right to feel and speak their mind. I would only agree with them if it could be shown that the Community center with a Mosque is intentionally placed at that location for some sinister reason.

[LnGrrrR]

Well, I'm sure there are some people still mourning for relatives lost that oppose it out of grief rather than fear. I think its pretty close minded and partisan to argue against that possibility.

Agreed, but then you're just shifting the irrationality. Saying "I support 9/11 families who don't agree with this" just means you're supporting a 9/11 family that's irrational.

[LnGrrrR]

DarrinS wouldn't know nuance if it delicately slapped him upside the head.

[Winehole23]

Agreed, but then you're just shifting the irrationality. Saying "I support 9/11 families who don't agree with this" just means you're supporting a 9/11 family that's irrational.

There is the question of compassion for grieving people, but one should be wary of washing one's supposedly clean linen in public. It's never as clean as it appears at first glace.

[clambake]

I would only agree with them if it could be shown that the Community center with a Mosque is intentionally placed at that location for some sinister reason.

this has boy scout written all over it.

[LnGrrrR]

There is the question of compassion for grieving people, but one should be wary of washing one's supposedly clean linen in public. It's never as clean as it appears at first glace.

Eh, I don't much buy into the belief of "compassion for grieving people" when the beliefs the grievance is founded on make no logical sense.

I do find it amazing that, 9 years later, the words of 9/11 families are held as gospel, while the people who suffered through Katrina are considered by most to be thieves and criminals who were too stupid to leave New Orleans/Misssippi.

[DarrinS]

[DarrinS]

I do find it amazing that, 9 years later, the words of 9/11 families are held as gospel, while the people who suffered through Katrina are considered by most to be thieves and criminals who were too stupid to leave New Orleans/Misssippi.

Did you just equate 9/11 with a natural disaster?

[clambake]

dennis prager lol

back where you started.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Agreed, but then you're just shifting the irrationality. Saying "I support 9/11 families who don't agree with this" just means you're supporting a 9/11 family that's irrational.

I never said their claim was rational. I said it wasn't Islamophobia.

[DarrinS]

dennis prager lol

back where you started.

I see you didn't have time to watch it. You're very open-minded.

[LnGrrrR]

Did you just equate 9/11 with a natural disaster?

I equated the suffering of two kinds of people. But I guess you didn't understand that nuance.

[Wild Cobra]

Did you just equate 9/11 with a natural disaster?

Yes he did, and I have a hard time he did just that. He is usually far more reasonable than that.

LnGrrrR..... What's your mindset today? You have a fever above 104 by chance?

[clambake]

I see you didn't have time to watch it. You're very open-minded.

i wouldn't watch his execution, either.

[DarrinS]

i wouldn't watch his execution, either.

Dude?

[ChumpDumper]

I see you didn't have time to watch it. You're very open-minded.

How many hours of YouTube have you posted on this board and expected everyone at work to watch like you watch YouTubes at work?