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    @ intelligence blogs.

    Over at KGB.blogspot.com

    Seriously these ers like Yoni are afraid of their own shadow. He's the type of person (and I"m not even kidding here) that was all over the Bush admin. No surprise we went to war at all.

    In fact I bet he and the Bush admin used the same Intelligence blogs for their info.
    You believe that, I'm sure.

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    Assuming it was ours...
    I think it was probably the U.S. military but I'm not sure what's the point of launching it in plain sight then denying it.
    This administration doesn't know how to speak the truth.
    If it's to show off new capabilities, why deny it? Just say you were testing new technology and can't comment on the specifics.
    They cannot think fast on their feet. probably caught off guard with being caught.
    And if the point wasn't to show anything off, why do it so close to the California coast?
    Maybe they were showing off range by where it landed. We don't have that data though.

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    The more one reads about Chinese submarine capability, the less and less likely it seems that the Chinese are responsible. The Chinese Navy just doesn't have the general capability to operate a sub that far from its home bases. They generally only get two patrol cruises per year, TOPS, among other things.
    I wouldn't take such thoughts as fact. just because we don't know doesn't mean they don't have some modern sub now. Our intelligence is lacking since president Clinton's slashing of the CIA, and they keep secrets well. Using a former ambassador for CIA information in Nigeria should be evidence of that. Not only that, how many trillions have we lined their pockets with to research with stolen plans of ours.

    I will not say they have good subs, but only a fool would think that it's not possible.

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    Denying the location surprises me zero since the whole purpose for boomers is their need to operate in secrecy. I dunno about the barges being dragged though.
    They don't call him NoBama for no good reason now...

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    “Mystery missile” was probably an aircraft, government says


    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...ment-says.html
    LOL...

    If that video matches the incident...

    It was a missile or rocket. That was no plane. If something else, it was Superman,...

    Do they really think we are all that dumb?

    Go Nobama...

    ing laughing-stalk.

    If that was a jet plane, it had something seriously wrong with it's engines.

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    If it were traveling toward the camera wouldn't it have eventually passed overhead?

    Just sayin'

    And, in one of the video, it clearly looks like fire coming from the engine.

    Sorry, I'm not convinced.

    Pentagon Can't Explain "Missile" off California


    Clearly, however, the "jet contrail" narrative is getting traction.
    The contrail is too big for a passenger jet liner.

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    Now that I've been though this thread, can I say it's a waste of time?

    Just another day.

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    The contrail is too big for a passenger jet liner.
    I don't buy it, either but, there are a whole bunch of people out there trying to make that narrative fit.

    Jet contrails from some angles look like missile trails

    I remain unconvinced.

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    I don't buy it, either but, there are a whole bunch of people out there trying to make that narrative fit.

    Jet contrails from some angles look like missile trails

    I remain unconvinced.
    From one angle, and wind variations, the look is possible. However, I have never seen a jet contrail that big.

    Have you?

    Anyone...

    Ever see a jet contrail that full and wide? They get very thin as they expand.

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    From one angle, and wind variations, the look is possible. However, I have never seen a jet contrail that big.

    Have you?

    Anyone...

    Ever see a jet contrail that full and wide? They get very thin as they expand.
    No, but I don't live on the West Coast where the horizon is further out than if you were viewing it over land.

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    All the intelligence blogs I'm reading say...
    Do you mind naming them?
    When I quote 'em, I'll name and link 'em.
    Given your track record of paucity when it comes to intellectual honesty, we can only assume that, since you refuse to name the "intelligence blogs", they are not, in fact "intelligence blogs".

    I readily posted a couple of links to things, when I drew information from them.

    It takes less than 4 seconds to highlight a URL, then click copy, and paste it into a quick post.

    I think you are either being lazy or dishonest, unless you can provide me with some principled reason for NOT giving the information, so we can judge for ourselves.

    Which is it?

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    I don't buy it, either but, there are a whole bunch of people out there trying to make that narrative fit.

    Jet contrails from some angles look like missile trails

    I remain unconvinced.
    Interesting.

    The military's more explicit denials that I heard seem to be a bit more than the "we know but aren't going to tell you variety" than they seemed yesterday.

    The media story has caused a bit greater interest and more people are poking around asking different military sources, and all have come up with nada in terms of even off-the-record admissions.

    Given that missle launches would require no few number of people to know about them, the fact that those inquiries have come up empty leads me to lend a bit more credence to the "jet contrail" explanation, over the "US Navy did it".

    Both are still far more probable than a Chinese/Russian launch.

    Again, seems to be something of a non-issue to me. I would be highly concerned if it were Chinese/Russian, but there is no indication whatsoever that that was the case.

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    sounds like the chinese sneaked onto our country, installed a missle launch site, and launched a missle away from the US to prove their domination.

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    don't go outside yoni.....there might be plane! lol

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    hey yoni, theres a job opening on fantasy island!

    are you short?

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    Yeah it makes sense for it to be a plane. The jet stream appears to expand as it gets closer to the horizon. Just like a sunset.

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    From one angle, and wind variations, the look is possible. However, I have never seen a jet contrail that big.

    Have you?

    Anyone...

    Ever see a jet contrail that full and wide? They get very thin as they expand.
    High clouds, like contrails, look thicker at sunset due to the angle of the sunlight hitting them and refraction by the atmosphere. This is highly common and makes for better sunsets. On many colder and clear days in South Texas and New Mexico the western sky will get cloudy at sunset (or basically late in the day) because of this yet you'll have a full sky of stars after sunset.

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    I give you the name of the submarine, the type of accident & STILL YOU PEOPLE say it did not happen… I say the jet stream over Cali never happened…Cosmic just made it up to start a thread…


    http://www.maritimeconsultant.com/ma...ring91/Tug.htm

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    ing laughing-stalk.


    Damn, you are stupid.

    What the would make anyone think it's a stalk?

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    ...you are either being lazy or dishonest...Which is it?
    Neither.

    I say I read intelligence blogs that say they don't know what it was but they hope it's innocuous and that requires links?

    What in that post, a summation of what the few intelligence blogs I read were saying, do you need to verify?

    you, RG; when I post information that I think needs support, I'll link to the source. What you think I should do is meaningless.

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    It took more effort to write that post than to provide the links to KGB.blogspot.com . I guess that eliminates lazy and leaves dishonest.

    Not that anyone is surprised.

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    It took more effort to write that post than to provide the links to KGB.blogspot.com . I guess that eliminates lazy and leaves dishonest.

    Not that anyone is surprised.
    No, it didn't. What I posted was my opinion of what I had read in my usual rounds of the various blogs I read regularly. I don't even recall from which I drew the consensus. Besides, I'm curious, what in my post needed to be verified? Is there something controversial about a blogger (intelligence or other) not claiming to have an answer to the event off the coast of California but, hoping it was innocuous? Or, me claiming that the few I read were, in my opinion, saying that?

    If I had forwarded some of their guesses or theories, I'd see RG's point.

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    are you scared of shadows, too?

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    Damn, you are stupid.

    What the would make anyone think it's a stalk?
    If you look closely, you can see Jack.

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    No, it didn't. What I posted was my opinion of what I had read in my usual rounds of the various blogs I read regularly. I don't even recall from which I drew the consensus. Besides, I'm curious, what in my post needed to be verified? Is there something controversial about a blogger (intelligence or other) not claiming to have an answer to the event off the coast of California but, hoping it was innocuous? Or, me claiming that the few I read were, in my opinion, saying that?

    If I had forwarded some of their guesses or theories, I'd see RG's point.
    Hey, pussy: They just wanted to look at the ing blogs.

    No need to go full emo over such a simple request.

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