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    Just shut up and sends us money.

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    Travis, take it easy, big cat! Humor me a little.

    I went to a small school. There wasn't a lot of money to go around. We dealt with it with support of the community. Our booster organizations helped out with the cost. We all turned out pretty good.

    Want to make sure that the band/debate team/underwater basketweaving team stick around? Donate your time/money to the cause.
    My kids go to a big school. And as far as non-football programs go, there still isn't a lot of money to go around. We also deal with it with the support of the community. Luckily we have a well-established booster organization.

    And once again, read what I post. I already stated I donate my time...and yes, I donate money as well.

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    I donate money as well.
    Make the check out to....

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    Make the check out to....
    Ha ha! Don't look at me...I'm in line right behind you!

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    My kids go to a big school. And as far as non-football programs go, there still isn't a lot of money to go around. We also deal with it with the support of the community. Luckily we have a well-established booster organization.

    And once again, read what I post. I already stated I donate my time...and yes, I donate money as well.
    The only reasons my high school was able to maintain such a high quality arts program is because we didn't have any sports teams except the swim team (which practiced at another high school's pool) and we had some private funding from alumni mostly. It amazes me how much money most schools spend on football programs.

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    I all I know is that my viejo gets screwed when it comes to pay. He is a band director and spends a load of time at school. I don't see the football coaches afterschool all year round.
    i don't believe anyone works harder than football coaches of good programs. my coach was there like 24hrs a day during the season. he'd tell his coaches to kiss their wives goodbye during the season.

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    The only reasons my high school was able to maintain such a high quality arts program is because we didn't have any sports teams except the swim team (which practiced at another high school's pool) and we had some private funding from alumni mostly. It amazes me how much money most schools spend on football programs.
    And what school was that?

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    I all I know is that my viejo gets screwed when it comes to pay. He is a band director and spends a load of time at school. I don't see the football coaches afterschool all year round.
    Band directors don't have a life. I agree with you.

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    Band directors don't have a life. I agree with you.
    Hey er he has me.

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    The only reasons my high school was able to maintain such a high quality arts program is because we didn't have any sports teams except the swim team (which practiced at another high school's pool) and we had some private funding from alumni mostly. It amazes me how much money most schools spend on football programs.
    We have both individual and corporate fundraising.

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    Hey er he has me.
    Yeah, but during the school year do you have him?

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    I hear a lot of complaining about football being overfunded because I know a lot of teachers. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Ga a, your Pops is doing God's work. I had coaches that would do the same, and they didn't only coach only one sport, either!

    BTW, you don't have to be athleticly gifted to try a sport, esp. at a smaller school. You just have to try. I still really respect a couple of guys from HS who wouldn't quit, even if they weren't any good.

    Travis, if you'd be kind to point out what you're talking about, I'll be glad to comment, but it's not like I'm gonna change anybody's mind, anyway.

    If you'll excuse me & since I only went to a little heathen school, I think I'll go become an out-of-work factory worker and dream of making the middle class...

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    Yeah, but during the school year do you have him?
    Yes, considering that we live together. But, I didn't get what your question was implying.

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    And what school was that?
    It's in Houston - The High School for the Performing and Visual Arts - hspva.org. I would argue that their plan to expand and accept more students is going to decrease individual student funding and raise the cost of going there (we paid a small fee every year - $200 for me in the Visual Art department to provide some of the materials, like photo chemicals and tools) and lead to a weaker reputation (going to HSPVA gives you pretty much an in with most art schools, at least in the visual arts department - and we always have at least finalists in the national ARTS compe ion every year) - but as it is now, it's a great arts program, and if people want to participate in sports they can do so at their zoned school (HSPVA is entirely magnet, you have to audition to get in and re-audition every year to stay in).

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    I hear a lot of complaining about football being overfunded because I know a lot of teachers. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Ga a, your Pops is doing God's work. I had coaches that would do the same, and they didn't only coach only one sport, either!

    BTW, you don't have to be athleticly gifted to try a sport, esp. at a smaller school. You just have to try. I still really respect a couple of guys from HS who wouldn't quit, even if they weren't any good.

    Travis, if you'd be kind to point out what you're talking about, I'll be glad to comment, but it's not like I'm gonna change anybody's mind, anyway.

    If you'll excuse me & since I only went to a little heathen school, I think I'll go become an out-of-work factory worker and dream of making the middle class...
    My posts are in this thread. Read them. Jekka made many of the same points.

    You seem to think that everyone needs to try out for a sport and the other programs need to just be cast adrift. Well, not everyone can play a sport, even if they want to. In a small school, it's a lot easier to take all comers. In a large school, not only is there no room to take all comers, the coaches would stage a coup if you tried to force them.

    And once again...no one has ever said to stop funding athletic programs. Your little heathen school may have done all right when it came to sports, but it definitely seems deficient when it comes to reading comprehension. You keep setting up really bad straw-man arguments to try to demonize our positions...and we keep knocking them down.

    Now, if you want to deal with the facts of our arguments, rather than your own distorted, sports-centric interpretation, then let's talk. But if you want to keep lying about what we're saying, then just go away.

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    Yes, considering that we live together. But, I didn't get what your question was implying.
    I was being humorous. Band directors are very hard workers...the ones that interact with my kids are great, but I'd never want their job.

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    I was being humorous. Band directors are very hard workers...the ones that interact with my kids are great, but I'd never want their job.


    Someone has to do the dirty work. I was a band geek myself, so I appreciate what he does for a living. I support him 100%. I know it is not always easy and can be fustrating for him at times. That is why he has an ice cold beer waiting for him when he gets home.

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    Someone has to do the dirty work. I was a band geek myself, so I appreciate what he does for a living. I support him 100%. I know it is not always easy and can be fustrating for him at times. That is why he has an ice cold beer waiting for him when he gets home.
    What level does he teach? MS or HS?

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    What level does he teach? MS or HS?
    Both. Beginners and all.

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    Oh wow...where did you say you were from again?

    MS is so important...a director directly influences how much the kids continue to enjoy music...good director, lots of kids moving on in their studies...bad director, kids drop out by the time they go to high school.

    The high school my kids go to has 3 feeder middle schools...two of which are only partial feeders. The two partial feeders have excellent band programs. The one that feeds 100% has a crappy program. As a result...the HS band gets more recruits from the two partial feeders than from the 100% feeder.

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    then just go away
    Well, don't mind if I do. I'll stick to the sports forums.

    I'll get my uneducated, country ass out of this esteemed place of being a snooty asshole.

    You know, Travis, I didn't learn much, but I did learn that you're supposed to skip over the extraneous bull . Sorry if I don't have the reading comprehension. Overinflated Sense of Self Worth So That Everyone Should Scrutinize My Posts Forum.

    And cowboy - you might want to stay away from amusement parks, because there's a good chance your life is in the hands of something that I designed - but I'm just a hick.

    And thanks to everyone else who could comment without resorting to personal attacks, and keep good humor in context.
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    Oh wow...where did you say you were from again?

    MS is so important...a director directly influences how much the kids continue to enjoy music...good director, lots of kids moving on in their studies...bad director, kids drop out by the time they go to high school.

    The high school my kids go to has 3 feeder middle schools...two of which are only partial feeders. The two partial feeders have excellent band programs. The one that feeds 100% has a crappy program. As a result...the HS band gets more recruits from the two partial feeders than from the 100% feeder.
    We are from Harlingen, but he works at Port Isabel. We will be moving up to SA this summer. He has interviewed at several schools, SAISD, Southwest, Devine, NISD, and others.

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    Well, don't mind if I do. I'll stick to the sports forums.

    I'll get my uneducated, country ass out of this esteemed place of being a snooty asshole.

    You know, Travis, I did learn much, but I did learn that you're supposed to skip over the extraneous bull . Sorry if I don't have the reading comprehension.

    And cowboy - you might want to stay away from amusement parks, because there's a good chance your life is in the hands of something that I designed - but I'm just a hick.

    And thanks to everyone else who could comment without resorting to personal attacks, and keep good humor in context.
    the political forum is dangerous!

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    but I did learn that you're supposed to skip over the extraneous bull .
    But you obviously didn't learn to differentiate what was extraneous and what was pertinent.

    It's not humor when you purposely have to lie about someone's position to try to make your point.

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    We are from Harlingen, but he works at Port Isabel. We will be moving up to SA this summer. He has interviewed at several schools, SAISD, Southwest, Devine, NISD, and others.
    My kids go to NEISD schools. Like any district, they have their problems...but overall I'm pretty pleased.

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