More American Hypocrisy

[Spurminator]

You shouldn't even need to arm the pilot if you secure the pit. Keep the metal detectors too. But there's no reason for security checkpoints in an airport to take any longer to go through than the checkpoints outside of baseball stadiums.

I'm completely okay with some airlines keeping these policies as long as there are options for the other 50% of Americans who don't want to be groped or peeped before flying somewhere. Right now there's not an option.

[Obstructed_View]

You're a pissy little today, huh? Eh, no different than normal.

No, you're just being a slave to your politics without any thought; no different than normal. I don't think you actually believe that a locked pit door is going to keep someone from getting on a plane and blowing himself up.

[baseline bum]

Seriously, this is absolutely ridiculous. Your fear perfectly exemplifies Winehole's earlier argument about how our security is always preparing for the previous attack. Islamic terrorists bomb supermarkets, buses, subways, and the like, but hey, it didn't happen here yet and we have an official bureaucracy for the airports.

[Winehole23]

If we've collectively decided that number is zero, then this is the process until someone comes up with a better idea.

Total prevention is a totally unrealistic standard. It might even be a counterproductive one.

[CuckingFunt]

No, you're just being a slave to your politics without any thought; no different than normal. I don't think you actually believe that a locked pit door is going to keep someone from getting on a plane and blowing himself up.

No. But metal detectors have done a pretty decent job of that, since no one managed to blow themselves up on a plane. Before, during, or after the attacks on 9/11.

[baseline bum]

No, you're just being a slave to your politics without any thought; no different than normal. I don't think you actually believe that a locked pit door is going to keep someone from getting on a plane and blowing himself up.

I thought we were at war because the terrorists used the planes as missiles against the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

[Spurminator]

Tell that to the people on that plane.

Look, If you think there's an acceptable number of planes that can be bombed out of the sky every year, then write to your congressman and tell them what that number is. You might share it here, too. I'd personally be interested in how many airplanes and lives you want to sacrifice so a bunch of strangers don't look at your wang through a scanner. If we've collectively decided that number is zero, then this is the process until someone comes up with a better idea.

I have decided the number is zero and that securing the pit and using metal detectors is sufficient security to keep it close to that, and that the current measures offer no better protection against it being greater than zero.

Somehow the underwear bomber got through the security at the time and still failed miserably. Laughably.

It's akin to banning or searching parked cars near buildings because of OKC. Wait, no it's not, because McVeigh was actually successful.

[Winehole23]

But preventing shoe and underpants bombers so strictly and stringently after the fact partakes of the absurd.

[Spurminator]

I'd personally be interested in how many airplanes and lives you want to sacrifice so a bunch of strangers don't look at your wang through a scanner.

Also, I don't give a who sees my wang. But when half of the country finds something personally invasive, there's a problem.

[Spurminator]

Oh, and has everyone forgotten that the underwear bomber didn't board a plane in this country?

[greyforest]

So we're willing to send our troops out to the deserts of the middle east to die for our "freedoms" and "safety", but we're not willing to go through a full body scan at the airport to protect our "safety".

Objecting to anything the Government does is akin to being a Traitor. This is the USA. It's time we pull together and be on the same team here, come on guys.

[LnGrrrR]

Flying is not a right. There's no two ways about it. If you want to fly, you have to go through security. You wouldn't fly on an airline with no security. You of all people should understand having to make the smallest of sacrifices when there are soldiers overseas dying to protect you from terrorists.

Flying is as much a right as is going to work, eating a brownie at Starbucks, or any number of things.

The "rights" of an American citizen are not limited to those explicitly outlined in the Cons ution. The 9th Amendment explains that.

Tell me Obstructed, where would YOU personally draw the line? What if they made all passengers fly nude? Would that be acceptable as well?

As I said earlier, we should not be justifying ANY measure in the name of security. We should look at the effectiveness of the procedures, and then determine the cost/benefit ratio.

[LnGrrrR]

If I were using the "We're at War!" card to justify any and all programs, I'd say you had a point. I'm using it to justify added security aimed at catching someone like Abdulmutallab who got onto a plane full of people with a bomb in his pants. If we've decided as a society that we're not going to racially profile, and if we've decided that it costs too much money to interview every single person before they board a plane like El Al does, then what's the alternative? When you come up with it, let the rest of us know.

The alternative is accepting that there is no way to be 100% safe. If you're afraid of it, then don't fly, don't leave your house, and live in your basement.

People who are dedicated will find ways around the system. We need to be spending money wisely, and using metrics to determine if those methods are effective.

[LnGrrrR]

Guys, what about that guy who tried to blow up a car in NYC? I think all citizens should be forced to subdue to policemen everywhere when asked, and strip searched in the middle of the street.

It's the only true way to stay safe.

[LnGrrrR]

Tell that to the people on that plane.

Look, If you think there's an acceptable number of planes that can be bombed out of the sky every year, then write to your congressman and tell them what that number is. You might share it here, too. I'd personally be interested in how many airplanes and lives you want to sacrifice so a bunch of strangers don't look at your wang through a scanner. If we've collectively decided that number is zero, then this is the process until someone comes up with a better idea.

Do you write your congressman about the "acceptable" numbers of people dying in car accidents, demanding that all car manufacturers install bumpers around their cars?

How about the amount of people who die eating fast food? Do you write your congressman about that?

Bad guys are out there. They kill people. Life happens. Just because you're afraid of it doesn't mean that you get to put a straightjacket on all of us.

[Parker2112]

Wake Up before the water reaches boiling and the noose closes too tight to move.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...-and-the-metro-

“[Terrorists] are going to continue to probe the system and try to find a way through,” Napolitano said in an interview that aired Monday night on "Charlie Rose."

“I think the tighter we get on aviation, we have to also be thinking now about going on to mass transit or to trains or maritime. So, what do we need to be doing to strengthen our protections there?”

[Wild Cobra]

But, as we've gone over before, they don't use probable cause; they just use specific words and pick up random email with those words in it. That's why it's so broad-based. (After all, if it was targeted to a few individuals, then they could easily get the warrants to wiretap/intercept communications, right?)

So your argument doesn't make sense.

The data mining you are talking about is a different topic yet, going over leased lines with third party consent.

[Wild Cobra]

Flying is not a right. There's no two ways about it. If you want to fly, you have to go through security. You wouldn't fly on an airline with no security. You of all people should understand having to make the smallest of sacrifices when there are soldiers overseas dying to protect you from terrorists.

Movement across our nation is a right.

Now if I want to go to Hawaii, now I am restricted to traveling by boat if I refuse to give into these authoritarians. Now what do you say when they do the same screening an the cruise ships to Hawaii. What options do I have now?

[Wild Cobra]

Don't give me an NRA "slippery slope" strawman argument, please. We are at war because people hijacked commercial airliners full of civilians.

There have been numerous airliners hijacked over the years, and sometimes many deaths. All I am concerned about adding security to is making it next to impossible to use the airplane as a guided bomb. That's all you should be concerned about, because like it or not, it is a slippery slope you are agreeing to.

The reinforced pit doors are enough. You cannot have 100% security, and they are simply going too far. Agree with them, and you are a slimball authoritarian.

Or maybe you like your package handled by men?