Judge Calls Health Law Uncons utional

[Blake]

Driving is a privilege, and to require insurance would mean living is a privilege.

Do you think basic k-12 education for citizens is a privilege or a necessity?

[Blake]

Again, I could not get past your first lines. Utter bull . There is a reason only 20 percent of the population in USA are liberals, they are full of .

LOL...

Isn't that the truth.

Wednesday, December 01, 2010

In November, 36.0% of American Adults identified themselves as Republicans; 34.7% considered themselves Democrats, and 29.3% were not affiliated with either major party. That’s the largest number of Republicans since February 2005 and the first time ever that Rasmussen Reports polling has found more people identifying as Republicans than Democrats. ....

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...artisan_trends

Does absolute failure taste like chicken? I've often wondered why some of you go back for more.

[Blake]

That's not funny - it's pathetic that there are so many idiots out there who are able to vote.

it's pathetic that you think someone that doesn't vote the same way you do is an idiot.

[Wild Cobra]

Do you think basic k-12 education for citizens is a privilege or a necessity?

Start a new thread for that question.

[Blake]

Start a new thread for that question.

Neh.

I find similiarities in the two concepts and I wonder if others do too. If you don't want to answer, feel free to exercise your right to remain silent, but I'm not starting a new thread off on a new tangent.

[boutons_deux]

WC is not only the self-appointed, self-congratulating supreme judge of climate science peer reviewing, he also is thread policeman.

[LnGrrrR]

What's funny is that Obama backed down on the government option... which is pretty much the only option that was probably Cons utional. So now, the only major milestone he DID accomplish/help to pass will get torpedoed by the courts.

If Obama had demanded a gov't option, that part would've probably stuck.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah well Obama wanted to capitulate on the debate before it even started. It is different from the way Bush ran things so I guess thats change. Bush actually went to the mat for his medicare expansion with his own party while Obama was too busy giving up to fight.

[Parker2112]

In pushing Obama health care, Nancy Pelosi dismisses authority of US Cons ution

Yesterday, U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson ruled that a key provision in Obama’s health care plan violates the US Cons ution. The “minimum essential coverage provision,” Judge Hudson ruled, would force American consumers to buy a government-mandated insurance product whether they wish to buy it or not. There is no provision in the US Cons ution that grants Congress the power to force consumers to buy into such a monopoly — the very idea seems ludicrous.

But not to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. She believes that her power to force Americans to purchase whatever products and services the government wants them to buy is somehow granted by the Cons ution.
In what is now seen as a curiously instructive question-and-answer exchange, one year ago Nancy Pelosi engaged in the following dialog with CNS News:

CNSNews.com: “Madam Speaker, where specifically does the Cons ution grant Congress the authority to enact an individual health insurance mandate?

Pelosi: “Are you serious? Are you serious?”

CNSNews.com: “Yes, yes I am.”

CNS News goes on to report: (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/fla…)
Pelosi then shook her head before taking a question from another reporter. Her press spokesman, Nadeam Elshami, then told CNSNews.com that asking the speaker of the House where the Cons ution authorized Congress to mandated that individual Americans buy health insurance as not a “serious question.”

“You can put this on the record,” said Elshami. “That is not a serious question. That is not a serious question.”

http://www.naturalnews.com/030726_Na...Obamacare.html

[Parker2112]

pelosi's jedi mind tricks to herd sheep.

[ElNono]

That's not funny - it's pathetic that there are so many idiots out there who are able to vote.

I know, right? Democracy is such a failure...

[MannyIsGod]

That the sheep are so herdable to begin with somehow escapes your mind when you advocate libertarianism so I'm surprised to see you bring that up now.

[ElNono]

Does absolute failure taste like chicken? I've often wondered why some of you go back for more.

Plus it's irrelevant to the conversation. Obviously, it's much easier to attack me than the point being made. But jack is mad, so nothing new there.

[Parker2112]

That the sheep are so herdable to begin with somehow escapes your mind when you advocate libertarianism so I'm surprised to see you bring that up now.

I absolutely agree with you on this point, Manny. thats why leadership is so important. Thats also why restraint is so important. Thats why the cons ution is chocked full of it.

Thats why this old bat has to scoff at the question. If she takes it seriously, she submits to the bondage of limited govt on some level, which is not desirable to her evidently.

If you dont anchor your leadership with something, its your rights that set sail.

thats my original, but you have my permission to put that on your bumper or something.

[Parker2112]

That the sheep are so herdable to begin with somehow escapes your mind when you advocate libertarianism so I'm surprised to see you bring that up now.

however, I never engage this argument because I think its silly. Some will use capitalize on living in a free society (?), and some wil play xbox, which is also well within their rights, and all that is ok.

But the world wont whirl of its axis if a few libertarian ideas start seeping into the collective consciousness to reign in our out of control hostile imperialistic government that is bankrupt and bankrupting us for generations to come.

funny that you speak of others being sheeple, but this whole facade is just a way for your continued support of the status quo, IMHO.

[Blake]

If you dont anchor your leadership with something, its your rights that set sail.

"something"?

If I anchor my leadership with hot cocoa, will my rights stay in the bay?

how bout "if you don't anchor your [something witty] with leadership, it's your [something wittier] that set sail."

[insert picture of sailboat on black background poster with catchy phrase underneath]

example:

[Parker2112]

last thing, chiggity check my record, manny... I have always borne witness to the prevelance of the sheeples.

[Parker2112]

"something"?

If I anchor my leadership with hot cocoa, will my rights stay in the bay?

how bout "if you don't anchor your [something witty] with leadership, it's your [something wittier] that set sail."

[insert picture of sailboat on black background poster with catchy phrase underneath]

example:

there are a lot of possibilities when it comes to keeping leadership accountable. hot cocoa might be the best

[Parker2112]

I think the framed version would sell big in southern states. just sayin.

[MannyIsGod]

however, I never engage this argument because I think its silly. Some will use capitalize on living in a free society (?), and some wil play xbox, which is also well within their rights, and all that is ok.

But the world wont whirl of its axis if a few libertarian ideas start seeping into the collective consciousness to reign in our out of control hostile imperialistic government that is bankrupt and bankrupting us for generations to come.

funny that you speak of others being sheeple, but this whole facade is just a way for your continued support of the status quo, IMHO.

I support that status quo? No. I just don't support your solution because your solution is incredibly easily to take advantage of by the same problems you complain about.

[MannyIsGod]

In any event, as I've said before libertarianism would be a logical outcome of a informed and educated population. Too bad we're no where near that situation. Until then you go ahead and smoke that libertarian pipe dream.

[Wild Cobra]

Neh.

I find similiarities in the two concepts and I wonder if others do too. If you don't want to answer, feel free to exercise your right to remain silent, but I'm not starting a new thread off on a new tangent.

That's just it. It's a tangent, and I am trying to restrain myself from going outside the meaning of this thread.

Be glad to discuss it otherwise.

[Wild Cobra]

What's funny is that Obama backed down on the government option... which is pretty much the only option that was probably Cons utional. So now, the only major milestone he DID accomplish/help to pass will get torpedoed by the courts.

If Obama had demanded a gov't option, that part would've probably stuck.

I don't know if it's valid, but I heard the whole health care bill will end up being struck down because it's wording didn't allow for only parts to be struck down.

I don't know haw true this is.

Anyone?

[boutons_deux]

Judge Who Struck Down Health Care Funded Anti-Health Care Candidates

The Virginia judge who declared certain parts of health care reform uncons utional yesterday is a major stakeholder in a firm that donated money to anti-health care right-wingers like Mic e Bachmann, John Boehner and John McCain. As Gawker digs up, Henry E. Hudson owns up to 50 grand in a GOP consulting firm called Campaign Solutions, Inc, which not only boosted the conservative presence in Congress but also helped Sarah Palin jumpstart her PAC. Meanwhile, the attorney general who filed the suit that prompted Hudson's decision, pumped $9,000 into Campaign Solutions over the past two years. Apparently the ruling was not just hateful, it was potentially corrupt.

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews...es/#paragraph2

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Obviously, the Repug judge's actions show that he pre-judged/prejudiced his ruling rather than decide on legal merits alone.

[Wild Cobra]

Are we suppose to believe the journalistic integrity of AlterNet?