its an all time comparison. that is their body of work up to now.
is dirk going to get 4000 rebounds, 800 blocks and 2200 assists in 200 games? he definitely isnt going to get any all defense or DPOY awards. and funny you should say its an unfair comparison to look at totals, then proceed to compare dirk age at 30-32 to kg at 32-34.
The problem I have with a lot of the statistical argument is that people find various categories and assign them the same value as scoring. As a franchise you pay premium dollar to your top guy so that first and foremost he can be an unstoppable scorer, and not play hot potato with the ball in the last five minutes.
Having said that, his 2008 ring gives KG a huge edge in this debate. Without it, it would be easier to say Dirk.
lol @ MavFans laughing at the idea that KG > Dirk
did you s even watch KG in his prime?
Even if you do career comparisons, when there is a big discrepancy in games played, just use averages. points per game, rebounds per game, assists per game, etc. I didn't say Dirk would catch KG in those stats. I just said it was skewed to use "totals" when there's a huge difference in games played.
And how is it funny to mention how totals are skewed and then compare the two over the last two years? It's not contradictory for me to say those two things.
I'm with mono on this one. No way he's top 10. More like top 30 all time and that's a of an accomplishment. Cubes just taking you all for a ride.
You may want to revisit some of KG's playoff games. 2004, game 7 against the Kings would be a good start. If you consider Latrell "Iv'e got a family to feed" Sprewell and Sam "E.T." Cassell elite talent then more power to you.
the only way you can argue dirk > kg is if you base your argument around scoring/efficiency >>>> rebounding and defense. For a guard, even though I dont agree, that might be reasonable. for a big man? no question that both factor prominently. if the difference between dirk's rebounding and defense was 10-20% KG's, maybe it's close. but the difference is closer to 50% than it is 20%. No contest IMO.
and yes, I believe it is absurd to consider the past couple seasons in an all time ranking. You have to look at all of their seasons. even if you subtract 200 games from KG's career, either at the start or the end, he will still have a considerable advantage in boards, blocks, assists and steals.
Cuban gettin' his troll on
prime KG > prime Dirk, but not by much. However, KG's prime was very short-lived and not very effective. Dirk has a way better offensive game, but KG is much better on D. It's a tough call, but I'd lean more towards KG too since he's the more complete player. I won't argue with someone who picks Dirk though.
But to respond to the Mark Cuban:
lol calling the fan of the better player/better team butthurt. Nobody is butthurt about Cuban's comments. We all just think it's ing hilarious. Most Spurs fans are secure enough with Timmy's place in history to not care what some owner says about his player, but it won't stop us from laughing and having fun.
Mav fans on this board are so sad. You guys are almost as entertaining as your owner.
In 2004, those two guys were fantastic and Minnesota was set to win a championship. Unfortunately they just ran into the Lakers 5 seconds before the Shaq/Kobe combo imploded.
Both players have failed over and over in the playoffs, and both have put up great numbers in the playoffs. KG was obviously not good enough to be the #1 option on a championship team, but he was an incredible 2nd/3rd option for Boston. Dirk doesn't need to play alongside a number one option to win a championship, he needs a big who can play D and rebound, among other things. He has that now so we'll see what happens.
I think Dirk is better than guys like Ewing and KG, but its not so clear I would talk about it. Those two have such a massive edge defensively, its hard to gauge how much Dirk's better offensive game makes up for that gap.
Gasol had to go to a different team just to win a playoff game. Doesn't that say something about him? Dirk is at least in the top 50 of all time.
Dirk is top 20 all time....
Dirk ain't in the top 10.
, Tim barely scratches the top 10 in my book (number 7), how the can a ringless and chokesome player like Nowitski be in that re s top 10 list.
Lol anything related to maverick success = delusional.
He's a top-ten talent but this is a league that's been around for over 60 years. The NBA can't afford to put him that high. He's good, and could go up against any of the all-time greats--this isn't about what he lacks--but I don't think the numbers fit.
Dirk is less than 40 points from passing Bird on the scoring list.
Just FYI...not comparing the two or anything.
lol larry bird
lol magic johnson
lol ass defenders
having no true #2 option and all the role players missing wide open looks that you set them up with, resulting in being doubled and tripled every time you touch the ball = choke job
got it
lol Dirk being a 7 foot SG.
lol Magic + Bird having 8 more rings than Dirk
lol career 2.7 assists despite getting the ball most of the game
lol 1 block per game
lol Bird having more rebounds, assists, and steals than Dirk
and points*
* for 3-4 more days
so you're saying a guy who's been far and away the best and most capable scorer on his team by a huge margin should be passing the ball instead of scoring himself. Nice logic, dumb .
top 10 Mav of all time.
holy , a cav fan of all people making that joke.
the mavs all time best starting 5 would kick the out of the cavs best 5.
Greg Oden, top five biggest busts ever to set foot in the nba. Lets see... better future Cleveland or Portland... easy answer really... Cleveland.
I like the Mr. Exclusive pic of Oden. Hang on to it cause it will be a real collectors item. You can tell all your grand kids how you were one of the very few to actually see him play an nba minute.
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