Young People: Since 1966 over 45+ years ago - Only Been 4 Stars who’ve 3-peated

[Giuseppe]

Boiled down:::

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

[ElNono]

LOL ROFL CROFL

[ElNono]

On a more serious note, it's funny how this clown talks about Kobe not having HOF teammates, while conveniently 'forgetting' the season that included Shaq, Malone & Payton.

I mean, if that wasn't extreme coattailing (not just by Kobe), I don't know what to tell you.

[Giuseppe]

You want me to boil it down again, El, is that what you want?

Or, do you want me to start talking in my Italian dialect?

Keep it up.

[ElNono]

You want me to boil it down again, El, is that what you want?

Or, do you want me to start talking in my Italian dialect?

Keep it up.

Parla bambino, parla. Io sono italiano vero!

[LkrFan]

explain then why he shot 37% and was 2 baskets away from getting swept when he had 3 HOF players next to him (more than Bird), against a team that had NONE?

the HOF tag is irrelevant if you dont consider what stage of their careers the players are in, and the opposition they faced

Shaq was the only legit HOFer we had. After Malone went down I knew he wouldn't come back the same. As far as his shooting %, Kobe can be his own worst enemy. Tay Prince was a pretty good defender in his own right, but next to the Wallace brothers he looked like NBA All Defense 1st team. Kobe should have noticed that and adjusted. But then again, what were his options? Shaq was tipping the scales at 400+ lbs, Payton didn't know the offense (and was ted on by Bubububillipps), and Malone was a gimp.

The HOF tag is not irrelevant. Bird and McHale were in their primes (unlike Payton and Malone when they were Lakers). Parish was still good (he played 20+ years IIRC). All in all, they still couldn't get it done. No excuses because they were STACKED. The '86 Celtics and '87 Lakers were two of the best teams in NBA history. So I guess I can't blame that trio because that '87 team went on to repeat.

[LkrFan]

@ Laker fans throwing Gasol under the bus in order to elevate Kobe's status as an all-time great. This is a true testament to just how convoluted and twisted Laker fan is. They would rather believe in the deity of one player rather than the greatness of their team, so they can get off to Kobe's perceived status as an all-time great. I've never seen any other fanbase in the history of sports perform this feat en masse like Laker fan does. I seriously think that if they could sacrifice a le in order to get Bryant 50 points per game for a season and make him one of the top 3 all time players, a lot of them would seriously consider it.

@ Kobe is playing with "0 HoFers" right now, after Shaq, after Gasol's All-Star appearances, and Laker fans bragging about how dominant they will be with Bynum the "2nd best big man in the West" on their team.

Not throwing Pau under the bus. Before LA, he made one all star appearance (2001?), won zero playoff games. With LA he won 2 rings and had 2 all star appearances.

If Pau were to stop playing right now, is he a lock for the HOF? I'm not so sure. But the fact remains - he is not a clear cut HOFer right now. That may change if he helps us ring this year, but if I were to guess, he might sneak in right now given his body of work so far.

PS - I was a Laker fan well before Kobe and will be one long after he retires. I will support any current Laker and will defend him to the death when it warrants it. The name on the front of the jersey is more important to me than the name on the back.

[Man In Black]

But then again, what were his options? Shaq was tipping the scales at 400+ lbs, Payton didn't know the offense (and was ted on by Bubububillipps), and Malone was a gimp.

His option is always the same. To faciliate an offense using key pieces at his disposal or to chuck it all for the greater glory of all that is Bean. It's well do ented that he does that. His 1 against 5 diatribe was really easy to see against those Pistons. Again, an essential 5 game sweep. But if you look at the numbers:
http://www.nba.com/finals2004/
The way you post it, you make it seem as if Shaq was very ineffective when in reality, he averaged the following numbers for the Finals:

LAKERS
S. O'Neal
26.6 Points
10.8 Rebounds
1.6 Assists

K. Bryant
22.6 Points
2.8 Rebounds
4.4 Assists

For the entire playoff run:
21.5 Points
13.2 Rebounds
1.9 Assists
At a 59.3% FG Clip

Boy Blunder:
24.5 Points
4.7 Rebounds
5.5 Assists
at a 41.3% Clip

Whether you realize it or not, Bean Boy decided that the Finals MVP was his for the taking. He didn't want to take a backseat to Shaq, even though, Shaq, who according to you was fat and ineffective-I mean that's what you're saying when you add 400 pounds as a descriptor, was the teams best weapon inside.

Had Bean used Shaq more effectively, garnered at least 2 more assists per game to Shaq, and more importantly, took less shots. The outcome could have been different. In essence, Boy Blunder Bean sabotaged the team for his own selfish want of the Finals MVP. A finals series that LA was HEAVILY favored to win.

[diego]

Shaq was the only legit HOFer we had. After Malone went down I knew he wouldn't come back the same. As far as his shooting %, Kobe can be his own worst enemy. Tay Prince was a pretty good defender in his own right, but next to the Wallace brothers he looked like NBA All Defense 1st team. Kobe should have noticed that and adjusted. But then again, what were his options? Shaq was tipping the scales at 400+ lbs, Payton didn't know the offense (and was ted on by Bubububillipps), and Malone was a gimp.

The HOF tag is not irrelevant. Bird and McHale were in their primes (unlike Payton and Malone when they were Lakers). Parish was still good (he played 20+ years IIRC). All in all, they still couldn't get it done. No excuses because they were STACKED. The '86 Celtics and '87 Lakers were two of the best teams in NBA history. So I guess I can't blame that trio because that '87 team went on to repeat.

ah, so you decide which are legit and which aren't? you can't have it both ways. the celtics had injuries too. and they faced great teams, something Kobe's lakers cant say, neither as sidekick or alpha dog. The 04 pistons were great but they weren't the showtime lakers. (oh and at super Tay with wallace and wallace behind him, who got destroyed by manu ginobili the year after. is manu>kobe because of that? MiB already made it clear his option was Shaq who was still a god damn monster)
In 09 nearly every good team was struggling with injuries, Kobe's team beat pretender teams like boozer's jazz, yao/tmac less rockets, billups-melo nuggets (IIRC Melo had some ankle problems during that series), dwight howards magic (with a gimpy nelson to boot), all flash in the pan teams. none of those teams were better than the 04 pistons, much less the magic-kareem lakers or Dr.J's sixers. Perkins missed as many games as Malone did in 04, one. How are those cir stances any different from your injury excuses and "legit HOF" / "non legit "HOF" qualifiers

so decide. either kobe was not good enough to win 4 HOFers to 0, and the celtics not good enough to repeat with 3 HOFers, or maybe you have to consider what stage in their careers the players were in, what injuries they had, and who their opponent was.

[LkrFan]

His option is always the same. To faciliate an offense using key pieces at his disposal or to chuck it all for the greater glory of all that is Bean. It's well do ented that he does that. His 1 against 5 diatribe was really easy to see against those Pistons. Again, an essential 5 game sweep. But if you look at the numbers:
http://www.nba.com/finals2004/
The way you post it, you make it seem as if Shaq was very ineffective when in reality, he averaged the following numbers for the Finals:

LAKERS
S. O'Neal
26.6 Points
10.8 Rebounds
1.6 Assists

K. Bryant
22.6 Points
2.8 Rebounds
4.4 Assists

For the entire playoff run:
21.5 Points
13.2 Rebounds
1.9 Assists
At a 59.3% FG Clip

Boy Blunder:
24.5 Points
4.7 Rebounds
5.5 Assists
at a 41.3% Clip

Whether you realize it or not, Bean Boy decided that the Finals MVP was his for the taking. He didn't want to take a backseat to Shaq, even though, Shaq, who according to you was fat and ineffective-I mean that's what you're saying when you add 400 pounds as a descriptor, was the teams best weapon inside.

Had Bean used Shaq more effectively, garnered at least 2 more assists per game to Shaq, and more importantly, took less shots. The outcome could have been different. In essence, Boy Blunder Bean sabotaged the team for his own selfish want of the Finals MVP. A finals series that LA was HEAVILY favored to win.

Kobe's game has matured since then. He was a stubborn superstar that failed to fully utilize his teammates. It was part of his maturation process.

There were several factors that contributed to what I would call the worst Finals in Lakers' history. The Lakers didn't play well as a team and part of that blame has to fall on Kobe. Kobe has learned from it and the Lakers are now better for it and are now perennial contenders. Kobe is a major reason why because he has learned from his previous failures.

[LkrFan]

ah, so you decide which are legit and which aren't? you can't have it both ways. the celtics had injuries too. and they faced great teams, something Kobe's lakers cant say, neither as sidekick or alpha dog. The 04 pistons were great but they weren't the showtime lakers. (oh and at super Tay with wallace and wallace behind him, who got destroyed by manu ginobili the year after. is manu>kobe because of that? MiB already made it clear his option was Shaq who was still a god damn monster)
In 09 nearly every good team was struggling with injuries, Kobe's team beat pretender teams like boozer's jazz, yao/tmac less rockets, billups-melo nuggets (IIRC Melo had some ankle problems during that series), dwight howards magic (with a gimpy nelson to boot), all flash in the pan teams. none of those teams were better than the 04 pistons, much less the magic-kareem lakers or Dr.J's sixers. Perkins missed as many games as Malone did in 04, one. How are those cir stances any different from your injury excuses and "legit HOF" / "non legit "HOF" qualifiers

so decide. either kobe was not good enough to win 4 HOFers to 0, and the celtics not good enough to repeat with 3 HOFers, or maybe you have to consider what stage in their careers the players were in, what injuries they had, and who their opponent was.

Injuries are part of basketball, so don't make them as an excuse. , if dumbass Riley didn't run his team ragged (they were off over a week after sweeping the WC), they would have ended the '89 season as a 3peat champion.

[Mr.Robinson]

This is a sacred and highly exclusive club of players... these are hallowed records and absolutely phenomenal and if nothing else if we’re truly basketball fans like we claim to be then surely we’ll put our team pride aside and recognize these great players for this rare accomplishment. This is not a knock against other players who maybe won a le or even went back to back it’s simply to recognize a ‘SPECIAL GROUP’ that 100 yrs from now will be recognized as the founding fathers of sorts.



Baseball has Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron, Football has Joe Montana and Jerry Rice and Basketball will have:


RANKED IN ORDER OF GREATNESS (thus far) :

• 6 Rings - Michael Jordan
• 5 Rings (and counting) Kobe Bryant
• 6 Rings - Scottie Pippen
• 4 Rings - Shaq O’Neal
  

Now depending on your perspective you may have a ton of negative things to say about these particular players but the NBA record books don't lie. In fact I'd venture to say if you're building an All-Time team it wouldn't matter who else you threw in this starting line-up.



Note: Kobe is the youngest player in the history of the league to have 3-peated and he’s aiming to become the youngest in the history to have 3-peated twice.



“This isn’t going to be easy,” Bryant said. “If it was easy to three-peat, you’d see a lot of teams do it in the past.

That’s why so few teams have been able to do it.” - Kobe Bryant

Pippen>kobe

[Cry Havoc]

This is a true testament to just how convoluted and twisted Laker fan is. They would rather believe in the deity of one player rather than the greatness of their team, so they can get off to Kobe's perceived status as an all-time great.

[diego]

Injuries are part of basketball, so don't make them as an excuse. , if dumbass Riley didn't run his team ragged (they were off over a week after sweeping the WC), they would have ended the '89 season as a 3peat champion.

was Malone a "legit" HOF or a "gimp", make up your mind. I never said anything about injuries until you did.

Kobe + 2 HOF bigs and a HOF pg <<<<< 5 non HOF

[Man In Black]

Kobe's game has matured since then. He was a stubborn superstar that failed to fully utilize his teammates. It was part of his maturation process.

There were several factors that contributed to what I would call the worst Finals in Lakers' history. The Lakers didn't play well as a team and part of that blame has to fall on Kobe. Kobe has learned from it and the Lakers are now better for it and are now perennial contenders. Kobe is a major reason why because he has learned from his previous failures.

It's the bolded part I want you to answer. You said part. I'm wondering if you'll quantify just how large? Would you say 10, 25, 50 or 75%?

[DMC]

tbh, if Kobe doesn't coattail Superstars like Shaq or Gasol, he would be another T-Mac right now...

Shaq actually beat Jordan to make it to the Finals. Kobe has never been to the Finals without Shaq or Pau.

The thing about Kobe is that it's really easy to root for the guy because of his aggression and poise, but it's hard to root for him at the same time because the Laker fans are such heads.