Manu better than Kobe THIS season. Facts don't lie.

[FkLA]

Lol, GMs, coaches, legends and players don't vote for League MVP putz.

That would be a national panel of journalists.

links of GMs, coaches, legends, and players proclaiming that kome is still the best player in the league this yr

[Giuseppe]

We'd like to see Kobe win a ring without a Superstar big man and we'll judge him accordingly.

That's neither here nor there. Wade is suspect. I want to see him win another ring before I bestow upon him.

[NRHector]

That's neither here nor there. Wade is suspect. I want to see him win another ring before I bestow upon him.

come on Culby mentioning Wade in this thread is completely irrelevant

[Giuseppe]

I didn't cite Wade first.

[mikeschy55]

links of GMs, coaches, legends, and players proclaiming that kome is still the best player in the league this yr

He's the best player on the planet come playoff time and he has the rings to prove it. You need quotes? Have you watched Kobe in the playoffs? He's an entirely different player..... regular season doesn't mean . Steve Nash won the MVP twice and he's not ever going to be in the discussion of top ten or top twenty greatest players because a bunch of journalists had a hard on for him at the time. If Kobe wins his second 3-peat, he will unquestionably go down as a top ten player to ever play the game.

Manu will NEVER be as good as Kobe. He could stay the same age for the rest of his life and Kobe would still beat him on his death bed in the hospital..... And for that matter, same goes with Dirk. If Kobe is playing for a ring, it doesn't matter.

[Giuseppe]

^55, the goods, Wednesday evening.

[FkLA]

He's the best player on the planet come playoff time and he has the rings to prove it. You need quotes? Have you watched Kobe in the playoffs? He's an entirely different player..... regular season doesn't mean . Steve Nash won the MVP twice and he's not ever going to be in the discussion of top ten or top twenty greatest players ever because a bunch of journalists had a hard on for him at the time. If Kobe wins his second 3-peat, he will unquestionably go down as a top ten player to ever play the game.

Manu will NEVER be as good as Kobe. He could stay the same age for the rest of his life and Kobe would still beat on his death bed in the hospital.

You mean like his 6-24 peformance in last yrs Game 7?He's had stacked teams with dominant big men at his side, of course he's going to have rings...he also plays for arguably the most storied franchise in NBA history. The Lakers have won rings before Kobe and will win rings after Kobe. Its funny to me that the rings argument is used when comparing Kobe to Bron considering how opposite their cir stances were...Bron was playing for a team and city that is notrious for losing, and was surrounded by guys that are like 8-35 one yr after having had the best record in the league. People conveniently ignore how Kobe did when he was playing alongside scrubs, he did much worse than Bron ever did.

Manu > Kobe this season...Kobe has the upperhand career wise though obviously. Similar to Dirk > Duncan this season, while Duncan's career trumps Dirk's.

[NRHector]

I didn't cite Wade first.

what's going on with you old fart? you where here 24/7

[Giuseppe]

Chris lodged Wade first. I just boned him soon thereafter.

[jestersmash]

You mean like his 6-24 peformance in last yrs Game 7?He's had stacked teams with dominant big men at his side, of course he's going to have rings...he also plays for arguably the most storied franchise in NBA history. The Lakers have won rings before Kobe and will win rings after Kobe. Its funny to me that the rings argument is used when comparing Kobe to Bron considering how opposite their cir stances were...Bron was playing for a team and city that is notrious for losing, and was surrounded by guys that are like 8-35 one yr after having had the best record in the league. People conveniently ignore how Kobe did when he was playing alongside scrubs, he did much worse than Bron ever did.

Manu > Kobe this season...Kobe has the upperhand career wise though obviously. Similar to Dirk > Duncan this season, while Duncan's career trumps Dirk's.

Not even that, actually. Through the first 1/4 of the season? Sure.

ulatively through the first half? Not anymore, mostly because his 3 point shooting has been awful as of late. I mean uncharacteristically awful.

Can he still get the free throw line pretty much at will when he wants to score? Sure. Is his mid-range jumper/floater still good? Sure. Both pre-requisites of an elite SG.

But, his recent slump in 3 point shooting has especially hurt his stats because he simply takes more of them this season. No point in banging up his body more than need be during the regular season just to get 4+ more FT attempts per game when it's not necessary to win games.

Kobe's doing the same thing as well, by the way. He's relying more on his outside shot and post game to score as needed during the regular season. Once playoff time comes around, he's going to attack the rim a lot more often than usual and he'll get to the line a lot more often accordingly.

[mikeschy55]

You mean like his 6-24 peformance in last yrs Game 7?He's had stacked teams with dominant big men at his side, of course he's going to have rings...he also plays for arguably the most storied franchise in NBA history. The Lakers have won rings before Kobe and will win rings after Kobe. Its funny to me that the rings argument is used when comparing Kobe to Bron considering how opposite their cir stances were...Bron was playing for a team and city that is notrious for losing, and was surrounded by guys that are like 8-35 one yr after having had the best record in the league. People conveniently ignore how Kobe did when he was playing alongside scrubs, he did much worse than Bron ever did.

Manu > Kobe this season...Kobe has the upperhand career wise though obviously. Similar to Dirk > Duncan this season, while Duncan's career trumps Dirk's.

Who was the finals MVP again?

[mikeschy55]

^55, the goods, Wednesday evening.

It takes a while.... but most them come around in the end.

[Giuseppe]

Kobe's doing the same thing as well, by the way. He's relying more on his outside shot and post game to score as needed during the regular season. Once playoff time comes around, he's going to attack the rim a lot more often than usual and he'll get to the line a lot more often accordingly.

Smash, with the goods...i.e., Bryant went not once, not twice, but, thrice on suicide drives into the dotted line 4th quarter Game 7....

- "Go for it, Rock!!!"

[jestersmash]

Who was the finals MVP again?

Actually (based on reasonable assessment by watching the games) or just officially?

[FkLA]

Who was the finals MVP again?

So Paul Pierce was the best player in the league in 08'? Tony Parker in 07'?

Not even that, actually. Through the first 1/4 of the season? Sure.

ulatively through the first half? Not anymore, mostly because his 3 point shooting has been awful as of late. I mean uncharacteristically awful.

Can he still get the free throw line pretty much at will when he wants to score? Sure. Is his mid-range jumper/floater still good? Sure. Both pre-requisites of an elite SG.

But, his recent slump in 3 point shooting has especially hurt his stats because he simply takes more of them this season. No point in banging up his body more than need be during the regular season just to get 4+ more FT attempts per game when it's not necessary to win games.

Kobe's doing the same thing as well, by the way. He's relying more on his outside shot and post game to score as needed during the regular season. Once playoff time comes around, he's going to attack the rim a lot more often than usual and he'll get to the line a lot more often accordingly.

This definitely holds some truth, Manu has gone on a shooting slump as of latee.

I think it was a little longer than 1/4 of the season before his slump began too. And I would also put more emphasis on how efficiently Manu can run or be apart of the Spurs' offense...and not focus so much on just his shooting. While Kobe at times disrupts the Lakers' offense when he goes into chucker mode. He's lost several games for the Lakers that way, the Spurs game here in SA, being one example. I dont think the same could be said about any game for Manu. I'd still give the edge slightly to Manu for the season tbh, although yeaa at this point it alot closer than it was earlier on in the season were Manu was clearly playing better than Kobe.

[mikeschy55]

Not even that, actually. Through the first 1/4 of the season? Sure.

ulatively through the first half? Not anymore, mostly because his 3 point shooting has been awful as of late. I mean uncharacteristically awful.

Can he still get the free throw line pretty much at will when he wants to score? Sure. Is his mid-range jumper/floater still good? Sure. Both pre-requisites of an elite SG.

But, his recent slump in 3 point shooting has especially hurt his stats because he simply takes more of them this season. No point in banging up his body more than need be during the regular season just to get 4+ more FT attempts per game when it's not necessary to win games.

Kobe's doing the same thing as well, by the way. He's relying more on his outside shot and post game to score as needed during the regular season. Once playoff time comes around, he's going to attack the rim a lot more often than usual and he'll get to the line a lot more often accordingly.

You are talking about regular season statistics. If you want to go by stats, a lot of players are better than Kobe right now.

RIGHT NOW.... Kobe, your own Duncan, Peirce & KG, some other players..... are for the most just going through the motions, only turning it on when necessary, keeping their teams in good shape. When everyone is at their best and playing for a ring, regular season stats don't count for and the best players come to play.

[jjktkk]

When everyone is at their best and playing for a ring, regular season stats don't count for .

A mav fan would definitely know this tbh.

[jestersmash]

This definitely holds some truth, Manu has gone on a shooting slump as of latee.

I think it was a little longer than 1/4 of the season before his slump began too. And I would also put more emphasis on how efficiently Manu can run or be apart of the Spurs' offense...and not focus so much on just his shooting. While Kobe at times disrupts the Lakers' offense when he goes into chucker mode. He's lost several games for the Lakers that way, the Spurs game here in SA, being on example. I dont think the same could be said about any game for Manu. I'd still give the edge slightly to Manu for the season tbh, although yeaa at this point it alot closer than it was earlier on in the season were Manu was clearly playing better than Kobe.

Maybe 2/5. Just a rough estimation.

[jestersmash]

You are talking about regular season statistics. If you want to go by stats, a lot of players are better than Kobe right now.

RIGHT NOW.... Kobe, your own Duncan, Peirce & KG, some other players..... are for the most just going through the motions, only turning it on when necessary, keeping their teams in good shape. When everyone is at their best and playing for a ring, regular season stats don't count for and the best players come to play.

You..do realize I was arguing for Kobe > Manu through the first half of the season, right?

[ElNono]

Lol, GMs, coaches, legends and players don't vote for League MVP putz.

That would be a national panel of journalists.

it's the official trophy handed to the best player in the league... that you're all butthurt about it, doesn't make it any different...

[FkLA]

You are talking about regular season statistics. If you want to go by stats, a lot of players are better than Kobe right now.

RIGHT NOW.... Kobe, your own Duncan, Peirce & KG, some other players..... are for the most just going through the motions, only turning it on when necessary, keeping their teams in good shape. When everyone is at their best and playing for a ring, regular season stats don't count for and the best players come to play.

Kobe isnt just going through the motions, have u watched him play this season? He's too compe ive for that. He's still chucking up shots like crazy like he always has...its apparent that he's not deferring like Duncan.

Kobe is simply declining. He's 33 with tons of mileage. Its expected, he's human tbh.

[ElNono]

It doesn't matter what NBA coaches and GM's say, anyone who disagrees with a spurs fan and their homerism is clearly an idiot. Wake up man.

Plenty of spursfan here saying Kobe > Manu...
They're just not into giving Kobe a fellatio like some larkerfan in here...

[ElNono]

Who was the finals MVP again?

If that's the sole measuring stick, then Shaq > Kobe
If rings are the sole measuring stick, then Horry > MJ > Kobe

It's silly. The league already hands a 'best player of the year' trophy. Kobe has one. Lebron has the last two.

[mikeschy55]

So Paul Pierce was the best player in the league in 08'? Tony Parker in 07'?

Would you like to go over the number of players that have won the Finals MVP more than once? Do that, and ask yourself how Manu compares with that list. Players like Tim Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, and MJ fill that list. In the playoffs, when Duncan, KG & Peirce, Kobe, etc turn it on, Manu doesn't even come close.


This definitely holds some truth, Manu has gone on a shooting slump as of latee.

I think it was a little longer than 1/4 of the season before his slump began too. And I would also put more emphasis on how efficiently Manu can run or be apart of the Spurs' offense...and not focus so much on just his shooting. While Kobe at times disrupts the Lakers' offense when he goes into chucker mode. He's lost several games for the Lakers that way, the Spurs game here in SA, being one example. I dont think the same could be said about any game for Manu. I'd still give the edge slightly to Manu for the season tbh, although yeaa at this point it alot closer than it was earlier on in the season were Manu was clearly playing better than Kobe.

[jestersmash]

mikeschy55 I have to ask, do you even watch NBA games?

Serious question.