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I've heard that argument made before.
Michael Jordan had freakishly large hands.
Unless Rondo's hands are bigger than Jordan's hands to the point that the basketball is like a softball to normal sized hands, I don't get it.
Some food for thought. Top point guards according to the all important estimated wins added (EWA) advanced statistic -
1. Chris Paul (11.9)
2. Russell Westbrook (10.4)
3. Derrick Rose (10.0)
4. Deron Williams (10.0)
5. Steve Nash (8.6)
6. Tony Parker (7.4)
...
...
10. Rajon Rondo (5.1)
Top point guards according to PER
1. Chris Paul (25.81)
2. Steve Nash (24.37)
3. Russell Westbrook (23.80)
4. Deron Williams (23.15)
5. Derrick Rose (22.97)
6. Tony Parker (21.02)
7. Stephen Curry (20.05)
8. Rajon Rondo (19.29)
Subjectively, I don't think Tony Parker is a top 5 point guard, but I find it laughable that certain people are so quick to at least consider Rondo on the "bubble" for top 5 but find it to be just ludicrous that Tony Parker might even be in the discussion for that 5 spot.
I'd say among the most underrated facets of Tony Parker's game are the fact that he shoots 52.3% from the field and he has a virtually unguardable floater if he can get into the paint. It's actually not the most ludicrous, homer-ish (for a spurs fan), asinine thing to at least say "Tony Parker might be in the discussion for the 5 spot" when Rondo is given that luxury.
Now, advanced statistics notwithstanding, I actually do favor Rondo over Parker for that 5 spot because Rondo is far superior at passing. That said, it's laughable that some people make it sound like Tony Parker is barely on the cusp for top 15 point guards in this league.
As for my list -
1. Deron Williams
2. Chris Paul
3. Russell Westbrook
4. Derrick Rose
5. Steve Nash
6. Rondo
I've heard that argument made before.
Michael Jordan had freakishly large hands.
Unless Rondo's hands are bigger than Jordan's hands to the point that the basketball is like a softball to normal sized hands, I don't get it.
Parker follows. It's his nature. And he does it well.
Rondo leads. It's his nature. And he does it well.
Has Rondo ever acknowledged his shooting as a weakness?
correct me if i'm wrong LnGrrR, but it always seemed that he got annoyed when people questioned his jumpshooting and has kinda been stubborn about working on improving it.
i know when TP couldnt hit his first couple of years, he acknowledged it and made it a point of emphasis to make it a strength.
so does that make you TP and luva is Rondo, cubbz?
I would take Rondo on my team anyday.
Only 2 can be considered the total package
1. Paul
2. Williams
Big drop from top 2.
3. Rondo (Shooting)
4. Nash (Defense)
5 is very close, all have their faults.
Westbrook and Rose are chuckers at this point of their careers.
Kidd and Felton both have shooting limitations.
But I'll give the 5 to Parker but probably more so because the system his plays in makes the most of his limited shooting ability, and his defence is supported by his team mates. This put him over the others in that the system gets the most out of his talents.
5 to Parker over Rose and Westbrook
I would, not for talent, but for the expierence factor. That could change as soon as this years playoffs though. Rose and Westbrook are great young pgs.
Are you talking about bigger overall? Or compared to their length?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_big_ar...do's_hands
Rajon Rondo, guard for the Boston Celtics, is not tall in NBA standards -- only 6 feet 1 inch. But his wingspan is a whopping 6 feet 9 inches! ESPN's Sport Science (linked below) reported that Rondo's hands measure 9.5 inches long and 10 inches wide. Those measurements are proportionate to a player taller than Yao Ming!
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Michael_jordan_hand_size
But this article seems to contradict that...From the heel of his palm to the tip of his middle finger is 12.25 inches (31.12 cm).
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ll.html?cat=14
So, if this article is right, Jordan was somewhat under nine inches. Rondo would be 9.5, at a much smaller height. Interestingly enough, the article goes on to mention Rondo's wingspan, but makes no mention of his hand size.Elton Brand, the Chicago Bulls former No. 1 overall selection in 1999, was chosen not only for his dominating scoring and rebounding ability, but for his wingspan and hand size. Seen as somewhat undersized as a 6'8" forward/center, Brand's wingspan far surpassed being seven feet wide (normal wingspans usually measure out to be the same about of inches as one's height), giving him a great advantage against players who are taller than him. His hands were also talked about much, as the tip of his middle finger to the bottom of the palm of his hand was measured at a whopping nine inches, which rivals Michael Jordan's hand size as the largest set of hands that have palmed a Spalding leather NBA basketball.
Another article lists Jordan at 9 3/4 inches.
http://ask.metafilter.com/161910/NBA...with-big-hands
So most likely, Jordan was somewhere between 9 and 10 inches, comparable to Rondo. Of course, Jordan was much taller.Michael Jordan - 9 3/4 inches "palm to middle finger".
--The Knoxville News-Sentinel, March 12, 1999.
This is THE dumbest ing thing I have read on this site in probably the past 2 years.
Holy how ing misinformed are you? Do you watch any games that don't involve the San Antonio Spurs?
Holy
And really, comparisons to Jordan aren't very fair.
I don't know if he's acknowledged it publicly, I think he's too proud for that. But there have been Boston media articles that talk about him in the gym working on it.
why u guys penalize rondo cause he cant shoot?
his not a shoot first pg, and his all round defensive game and looking out for open man is what a pgs duties is
I can't remember which TV guy said it, but he said Rondo was the most important player on the Celtics. I agree somewhat, but more like he shares that distinction with KG.
I put CP3 over Nash, Rondo, and Parker. He's just simply better than those three. Its hard to compare him to the bigger PGs like Westbrook, D-Will, and Rose.
Rose is having such a great season right now, it's hard not to have him number one.
I think CP3 does pretty much everything well. He's a good finisher as well because of his touch. He routinely shoots a high FG%. He's not 100% yet so I go with Rose number one.
1. Rose
2. CP3
Nash and Parker are underrated, especially Nash. However neither play good defense. D-Will is in the same boat. He's strong offensively, but not good defensively, especially against the quicker PGs. Rondo is clearly the best defensive PG. No debate. But, offense for him is lacking.
Right now, I have D-Will number 3.
4. Nash
5. Parker
6. Westbrook
7. Rondo
LOL I like Chalmers but don't know how he got anywhere near this discussion.
As for rondo he is paradox for me. I love his hustle, rebounding, unselfishness and toughness those are all traits i had as a player. But like me, he sucks at FT's (i actually could get on good streaks but did airball one in HS) is not a great outside shooter and people play off him for the drive ...
all that being said he runs the team well, and brings so many intangibles to the table.
No i dont think he can be considered the best (with his flaws) but to ignore what he does for a consistent winner is asinine.
As for Parker you could say the same about his offense. he brings so much to the table by scoring in transition or getting on to the paint and break a defense down.
Overall Dwiil had the better game (last night) but when the Spurs went on their big run early, Parker was the driving force. He used screens and his speed to destroy Utah ...
Does Rondo play with a basketball smaller than the basketball Jordan played with?
The height of the player or how long a player is shouldn't be a factor. If the size of the hand is going to be at issue, it's only at issue in comparison to the size of the basketball. As far as I know, the size of the basketball the NBA uses hasn't changed since Jordan played.
Chalmers is a much better defender/shooter/ft shooter than Rondo. Chalmers will be a better passer than Rondo in 2-4 years. He finally got back into the starting lineup, and this is only his 3rd year. Chalmers doesn't need to be a slasher since he has Wade/Bron. The guy has some serious upside. He will be a top 10 pg. The kid is a flat out stud.
Oh and he will shut down Rondo with ease in the ECF. Rondo is scared of Chalmers.
Chalmers isn't a bad player at all. I think he should have started from the beginning of the season.
But, seriously, stop.
April 1st came early this year.
Yup.
I doubt Rondo's hands are much larger than Manu's, Bron's, Kobe's, Tmac's, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
It's not like the dude has Shaq hands. Or maybe he really does, I have no idea.
Edit: Just kidding.
Last edited by ALVAREZ6; 01-27-2011 at 06:06 PM.
Pretty stupid of him to be so stubborn about it, why else does he think most defenders guard him from 5 feet away when Rondo's got the ball up top?
Stop what?
This is his 3rd year. He is a better defender than Rondo. His shooting in general and at the charity stripe are miles ahead of Rondo's. Fine maybe his passing won't be as good as Rondo's. Time will tell though. It all hinges on if he wants to be a top 10 pg within the next few years. He clearly has the talent to do so. I didn't say he'd be the best pg in the game. I doubt he ever gets that good.
Nope. This isn't a joke. I am dead serious. Chalmers can shut down Rondo and is a better shooter/defender than him. IF he plays to his best abilities, he will be a better overall pg than Rondo in a few years.
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