Big girls don't cry.
BTW, nice game Phoenix.
If I had to read through all this (most insane crap), then I can post this reply again...
Sorry fella, but the contact with the ball was initiated outside of the cylinder.
Yes, it's true that Duncan's momentum carried Amare's wrist over the cylinder, but what starts out as a clean block, CANNOT end up as goal-tending.
I thought it was a good, clean block and the replay bore that out. I know it was stipulated in an earlier post but here's proof of what the "own basket" is.
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_11...av=ArticleList
If the violation is at a team's own basket, no points can be scored and the ball is awarded to the offended team at the free throw line extended on either sideline. If there is a violation by both teams, play shall be resumed by a jump ball between any two opponents at the center circle.
If "own basket" was the basket you are defending, then a violation would result in points being awarded for the offended team.
It was an awesome block and his hand was NOT in the cylinder. Even MVP's get their shots blocked.
Can you say GOALTENDING!!!!! Might as well put your hand underneath the rim threw the webbing and call that a block shot. The Sun will set in Phoenix. Don't worry it will be over soon for you.
Yup...and I guess MVPs are allowed to travel and carry the ball all the time too huh?
All on Tim. happens. If possible, Tim should've come up with two hands and snapped Amare's wrist on that rim, but he didn't. He went up with one hand and didn't have the leverage to push it through.
But the ball hasn't left Duncan's hand, it's a clean block. Duncan played like crap, and the Spurs still only lost by a few points. Series probably in 5 games.
Clean Block!!!!!!!!!
I honestly saw a clean block last night and now it's pretty obvious you can't argue with the pic above. Pretty lame move by TD, there is no way you can get blocked being so close to the rim and by AS. I could go with Shak blocking that shot, but Amare? No freaking way.
TD needs to put some muscle on those arms or at least some heart on his dunk attemps. He should have broken his ing wrist.
We lost fare and square. Now we've got to win the next one, because every lost game will come back to haunt us.
[QUOTE=vanvannen]it's pretty obvious you can't argue with the pic above. [QUOTE]
No? Well can you argue with this pic?
I never denied that Amare made a of a play. But it was still a goaltend.
A lot of the people posting their ideas don't know about the rules of the game. Unfortunately, a lot of the people reading their bull don't know the rules either. A defensive player simply cannot touch the ball or the rim while the ball is in the cylinder.
Here's the photo. Amare's hand is totally inside the cylinder, AND it is touching the rim. Just like I said. These people who keep talking about how it started out as a legal block, so it has to end up that way are full of . They don't know the rule, and won't bother to actually read it.
Nice block. Still a goaltend.
I thought it was a goaltend from the moment I saw it, but what can you do now the call was not made and that is that. Nice play Amare we will be ready for you in game 5.
And BTW... people post pictures that only show what they want to show for a reason. And they try to read only the portion of the rule that says what they want for a reason.
Anybody who has to play those kinds of games is a weasel.
Damn nice post and picture. And you are correct about the rule. But you are arguing with kindergarten kids and morons. You can't expect them to think or read for themselves.
Is it still a goaltend if Amare had his hand on the ball before the ball was above the cylinder? Because that's what it looks like from the 1st picture. It looks like he made the block/contact initially before the ball was above the cylinder and Tim's momentum forced Amare's hand above the cylinder and consequently touched the rim.
The short answer is "Yes". I posted the entire rule earlier in the post, but it's black-and-white. A lot of NBA rules wind up being dependent on the subjective judgment of the refs. Goaltending is one of the few that is totally clear. Touching the ball in the cylinder is a goaltend. The only exception is the one they made to allow a dunk. They didn't make that exception for the defender.
If you read the rule, it's clear. And the league's intent is clear. Anyone who says anything else is full of .
One more thing for you to think about. Look at the picture where Amare's fingertips first contact the ball. Now look at the picture I posted, where the ball is over the basket, and Amare's hand is touching the rim. Now... pretend there is no rim in the picture, and think about what has just happened. The momentum of Tim's shot has clearly carried the ball, along with Amare's hand, downward - exactly where Tim wanted it to go. Ask yourself this - if there were no rim there, would the ball have continued downward another six inches? Of course it would. However strong Amare might be, this time Tim had carried the ball down right to the top of the basket. Amare's hand was sticking out over the basket, and got braced by the rim. That's what finally stopped Tim's downward momentum. You don't need to know all that to prove that it was a goaltend, because the rule is clear. But all these comments about how Tim made a weak move? more bull . He shoved the ball through Amare's block, right down to the edge of the rim.
It's a goaltend.
Last edited by GSH; 05-31-2005 at 09:12 AM.
Facts about the game:
1. Spurs played lousy defense (overall)...no intensity until late in 4Q. Particularly offensive was the perimeter defense...gave them WAY too many open looks.
2. Spurs lousy free throw shooting
3. Suns shot the lights out...see #1
4. Officiating was horrible...worst I've seen in the playoffs (although Detroit got jobbed pretty bad in their last game), but wasn't the whole reason we lost...Stoudamire is protected for some reason...shoulf have been called for two BLATANTLY obvious charges.
5. Suns packed down in the paint and shut down our post play...knock down the jumpers and that doesn't matter.
6. Suns made adjustments from the first 3 games and found a way to win.
7. Suns WILL NOT win this series.
well said man....and amare's block was nice...the bas .
And this is the second time this has happened. Game 2 (I think) when the Spurs had about 4 shots at the rim (remember, Nahr fell down), you'll see Stoudamire's hand went under and thru the basket for a block. Damn NBA better get their referee situation under control or there will be more trouble next season. Of course, that's assuming there isn't a lockout which should clue the fans they should be boycotting and telling the Stern Gang to stick it.
That's because TD's hand never touched the basket during the block.
I got frustrated and shut the TV off with about five minutes left, and I'm glad I did. If I had seen that play actually happen I probably wouldn't have slept. Face it guys, Amare Stoudemire is a sacred cow to the refs-they won't touch him.
Yeah, like Beno's fould "tripping" Stoudemire in Game 3. How stupid was that call. And the refereeing is suppose to get better as the playoffs progress? <eyes rolling>
Taruky only shows up when we lose.... what cowardice....
I knew Amare's hand touched the rim the first time around and without aid of replays....
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_11...av=ArticleList Click here for the full rules.
It was clean as clean can be.
Take it for what it is. 1 loss in the last 4 games. Spurs are up 3-1.
the same ones you wore last season when Hedo was here?What the are some of you talking about? Amare's hand was not touching the rim and the ball certainly wasn't in the cylinder. Take off your homer goggles and get a grip. You lost.
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