Would you trade TP for Deron?

[Cry Havoc]

This thread might have some of the worst collective posts I have ever seen on SpursTalk.

Some of you have obviously never even see Deron Williams play a single game in the NBA. It's shocking.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

Deron Williams is a great player--he's a fantastic PG. He's someone you can realistically build a team around.

And my response to this trade would still be NO.

TP--better in the Spurs' system
massively underrated passer
massively underrated shooter
one-man fastbreak
far better team player

Oh, and in case y'all forgot, Parker's better head to head against D-Will's teams, too. How many times does Parker have to beat fools like Nash, CP3, and D-Will to earn some goddamn respect?

Give me Tony Parker on the Spurs every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[Obstructed_View]

This thread might have some of the worst collective posts I have ever seen on SpursTalk.

Some of you have obviously never even see Deron Williams play a single game in the NBA. It's shocking.

Conversely, I guess some people missed the championships, the finals MVP and the 45-9 record.

[Greg Oden]

Right, the Spurs couldn't have won those rings with a vastly superior player like Deron, nor could Deron have won a Finals MVP against one of the worst teams to ever make the Finals.

[Obstructed_View]

If putting up stats without wins = vastly superior then the whole league should be clamoring to trade for Kevin Love.

[Greg Oden]

because a Kevin Love/Deron Williams comparison makes so much sense

[DMC]

I would not trade anyone in the starting lineup or a few from the bench for anyone on a losing team.

[Obstructed_View]

By your rationale, four more three point attempts and three assists per game makes one guy vastly superior regardless of past history, defense, wins or championships. Kevin Love = GOAT

[Greg Oden]

Keep trying to twist the argument into your narrow frame of mind, it only makes you or anyone else look re ed by thinking Deron isn't >>> Parker.

[Greg Oden]

By your rationale, four more three point attempts and three assists per game makes one guy vastly superior regardless of past history, defense, wins or championships. Kevin Love = GOAT

Defense? In case you've never seen a Jazz game, Deron is a better defender than Parker, both individually and within a team concept.

Does it hurt when you try to think?

[barbacoataco]

Defense? In case you've never seen a Jazz game, Deron is a better defender than Parker, both individually and within a team concept.

Does it hurt when you try to think?

Where is your proof that Williams is so much better than Parker? The stats don't show it and Parker plays on a team that hurts your stats. Also, they've played each other in the playoffs with a lot of one on one play and Deron didn't abuse Parker. In fact it was pretty even. I'm not denying that Williams is better but it's like comparing a A- guy to a B+ guy.

[Obstructed_View]

Defense? In case you've never seen a Jazz game, Deron is a better defender than Parker, both individually and within a team concept.

Does it hurt when you try to think?

How do you figure? Parker scores above his average when he plays against Williams, and Williams scores below his average when he plays against Parker.

[barbacoataco]

How do you figure? Parker scores above his average when he plays against Williams, and Williams scores below his average when he plays against Parker.

This my point. These guys have played each other a lot head to head and it just isn't the case that Williams outplays Parker.

Parker= 3 time Allstar while Williams is 2 time Allstar.
Their PER scores are very siimilar.
Parker shoots for a higher percentage.
Parker's speed is the main thing that breaks down opponent's defense.

[JR3]

Nope. too much corp knowledge in Parker. Plus he knows Pop is boss.

[ohmwrecker]

Hypothetically? Sure. Williams is a statistically better PG than Parker, but this is basically a fantasy basketball scenario that doesn't apply to the real world.

If you are talking about swapping Parker for Williams right now, it seems like a bad idea to me. The Spurs are, arguably, the best team in the league chemistry wise and the core of the team is completely entrenched in the system with championship pedigree and a united focus on a goal. More importantly, they are winning in an impressive, franchise best fashion with room to improve. Changing a key (possibly, THE key) component in the equation, would be disastrous.
Changing PGs is a move that a team who is in need of a new direction would make, not the Spurs. It doesn't matter how much better Williams is, or isn't over Parker. It's just a bad idea for this particular place in time.

If you are talking fantasy BB, it's a great move.

[m33p0]

it would mean overhauling the spurs' offensive sets (and quite possibly, personnel) since Williams seem to need the ball in his hands a lot. either that or he change his style to fit the system.

[barbacoataco]

Parker's top 3 season's PER- 23.4, 21.4 and 20.8.
Williams " "- 21.2, 20.8, 20.6

Parker's career TS%- .548
Wlliams " "- .563

The idea that Williams is statistically better is not true. He gets more assists but that has a lot to do with the Spurs system. Williams is a better passer, Parker is faster and his offensive #'s are even to Williams. When they have played head to head it has been even. All of this is even without bringing up Parker's success in the playoffs and his hardware. Like I said before, Parker is vastly underrated and when his career is over and people look at his accomplishments he will be remembered better than he is thought of now.

[will_spurs]

How do you figure? Parker scores above his average when he plays against Williams, and Williams scores below his average when he plays against Parker.

Basketball-reference has this nice Head2Head tool that will show us just that:

Parker career: 33pmg, 16.7ppg on 49.3% shooting, 5.7 assists, 3 rbds, 1 steal, 2.5 TOs

Parker vs Deron: 33mpg, 19.9ppg on 54.2% shooting, 5.8 assists, 2.3 rbds, 0.9 steals, 2.9 TOs

Deron career: 35.5mpg, 17.3 ppg on 46.7% shooting, 9.1 assists, 3.2 rbds, 1 steal, 3 TOs

Deron vs Parker: 35.5mpg, 17.9ppg on 47.6% shooting, 7.5 assists, 3.1 rbds, 0.8 steals, 2.8 TOs



So apart from the fact that Parker scores more (and shoots better) and Deron racks up fewer assists... what was supposed to be so obvious in Deron being so much better than Parker?

Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=willide01

[spurs10]

Basketball-reference has this nice Head2Head tool that will show us just that:

Parker career: 33pmg, 16.7ppg on 49.3% shooting, 5.7 assists, 3 rbds, 1 steal, 2.5 TOs

Parker vs Deron: 33mpg, 19.9ppg on 54.2% shooting, 5.8 assists, 2.3 rbds, 0.9 steals, 2.9 TOs

Deron career: 35.5mpg, 17.3 ppg on 46.7% shooting, 9.1 assists, 3.2 rbds, 1 steal, 3 TOs

Deron vs Parker: 35.5mpg, 17.9ppg on 47.6% shooting, 7.5 assists, 3.1 rbds, 0.8 steals, 2.8 TOs



So apart from the fact that Parker scores more (and shoots better) and Deron racks up fewer assists... what was supposed to be so obvious in Deron being so much better than Parker?

Source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=willide01

[DPG21920]

Oden got crominated

He doesn't know what to do in a forum with more than 4 active posters tbh.

[Obstructed_View]

People without the confidence to log into their main account instead of their troll account should stick to the NBA forum for debates.

[Greg Oden]

spurfan thinks Parker is better than Deron. That's all that needs to be said.

[Greg Oden]

People without the confidence to log into their main account instead of their troll account should stick to the NBA forum for debates.

people with low enough confidence where they have to masquerade as a cowboy fan instead of claiming their real team shouldn't be posting at all.

is this what goes on upstairs all the time? do spurfans give each other the reach around whilst coming to the conclusion that they wouldn't trade for Melo and TP for Deron?

[barbacoataco]

people with low enough confidence where they have to masquerade as a cowboy fan instead of claiming their real team shouldn't be posting at all.

is this what goes on upstairs all the time? do spurfans give each other the reach around whilst coming to the conclusion that they wouldn't trade for Melo and TP for Deron?

Instead of calling Spurs fans homers, how about making some kind of argument or showing the stats that make Deron so clearly better than Parker.

[Obstructed_View]

people with low enough confidence where they have to masquerade as a cowboy fan instead of claiming their real team shouldn't be posting at all.

What are you talking about, Mono?