lol ESPN

[JamStone]

So Jam, would you place it as best of all time?

I don't know. It's just something I've never seen before. From a wow factor point of view, I don't know if I can think of many more impressive. But "best" is such a subjective thing when it comes to things like this. How important of a pass and the time and score of the game and how important the game is might be factors to some. Just taking it as an individual play regardless of impact on the game or how important a play it is to the game, I would say for me it's probably in the discussion. I'd probably change the description to "most impressive" instead of "best."

LOL @ all the people thinking that Wade knew he was going to throw an alley oop, I could've made that pass with LBJ, all you have to do is throw it within the vicinity of the rim and he'll do the rest.

Now this is a legitimate critique. It's not at all certain Wade was making the pass specifically for an oop, but the fact that the pass was pretty much perfect for an oop is nearly as impressive even if it wasn't his intention. Like I said earlier, if LeBron caught the ball, came down to the court and maybe even took a dribble, then went up with it, it wouldn't have been nearly as impressive. We've already seen full court length passes where players caught the ball but came down with it and/or took a dribble then finished. They aren't as impressive. Players can run under a pass when it's not right where it needs to be. They can catch and gather long passes. But this pass, whether intended as an oop or not, was placed perfectly for it at the very moment where it needed to be. That's impressive in itself. It's not like LeBron had to make an amazing catch just to get to the ball or had to do something spectacular to catch or finish. The catch was easy and right on time. That's why I give more credit to the pass then LeBron receiving and finishing.

[Spur_Fanatic]

your goal isnt to praise lebron here.

its to downplay the pass and try to convince everyone to suck the spurs s, since according to you, they throw full court alley-oops at least twice a game








LMAO

I mentioned the Spurs before, because I watch them more than any other team ofc.
I don't like, yes, that because Wade/Lebron are involved, little lemmings like you jump at the ocassion to suck some ESPN .

Plus, I don't give a damn what some trolls in the NBA forum think. And I don't want a Mavs fan praise on the Spurs. You guys are cursed.
I'm giving my opinion on the matter to Jam, and listening to his, because he brings some good points, and I'm enjoying the discussion. A troll's opinion, I really don't care.

[hater]

just took me 3 seconds to find 2 passes better than this one:

note Iverson's pass is between Grant Hill's legs

[HarlemHeat37]

Like Bump, I've played in many leagues, I play with Div 1 players on a consistent basis, I've played with dozens of NBA players, and I've never seen anything like this..

There's a huge difference between a homerun pass for a layup, and a pass of the same nature, except for an alley-oop..Wade had to make sure that the ball didn't make it's way down, which is what usually happens when you're throwing a basketball from that type of distance, and he had to hit a moving object..

Whether he intended for it to be an alley-oop or not is debatable, but irrelevant..it still happened..it wasn't even a case where he just threw it anywhere in Lebron's vicinity, he the ball actually ended up in a perfect position, for Lebron to make the layup..incredible..


As for whether it's the best pass of all-time, it's debatable..most people wouldn't be able to pull that off in an empty gym, let alone in real time, during an actual NBA game, with NBA-size players, all over the court..the pass is even more impressive, when you consider the amount of time and reaction time that it took for Wade to throw it..he didn't have any time to think about it, he didn't have any time to prepare for the throw, he just threw it up there..

It's debatable, there are so many great passes in NBA history..

This is my favorite pass:

[hater]

Like Bump, I've played in many leagues, I play with Div 1 players on a consistent basis, I've played with dozens of NBA players, and I've never seen anything like this..

There's a huge difference between a homerun pass for a layup, and a pass of the same nature, except for an alley-oop..Wade had to make sure that the ball didn't make it's way down, which is what usually happens when you're throwing a basketball from that type of distance, and he had to hit a moving object..

wrong. a professional player could replicate that pass if tried a number of times. Pretty simple pass from A to B for a professional and you would need an athletic player to catch it, which in the NBA there are tons.

But for example the Iverson pass, even if you try 1 million times, they would not be able to replicate it.

The possible best pass in history:

[cheguevara]

This is my favorite pass:

that's not even a pass genius. How many assists did Kidd get for that one?

[HarlemHeat37]

Grant Hill tried to kick the ball, in an attempt to stop the easy layup, but he mistimed it..Iverson threw it before Hill even got there, unless you believe Allen Iverson is some kind of psychic, that knew Hill would try to kick the ball, and he pin-pointed it to where Hill's 5-hole was going to be..

Impressive pass, but there have been many cases of players making bounce passes in traffic.. , JJ Barea had an impressive bounce pass in traffic, just the other night, IIRC..

[HarlemHeat37]

that's not even a pass genius. How many assists did Kidd get for that one?

It's not a pass, if the player on the other end doesn't finish it?..

Do you understand what a pass is?..

[cheguevara]

It's not a pass, if the player on the other end doesn't finish it?..

Do you understand what a pass is?..

answer my question if you want your question answered

[ohmwrecker]

Grant Hill tried to kick the ball, in an attempt to stop the easy layup, but he mistimed it..Iverson threw it before Hill even got there, unless you believe Allen Iverson is some kind of psychic, that knew Hill would try to kick the ball, and he pin-pointed it to where Hill's 5-hole was going to be..

I'm not sure why, but it looked more like Hill was trying to avoid kicking the ball to me.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm not sure why, but it looked more like Hill was trying to avoid kicking the ball to me.

Either way, Hill wasn't stationary before the pass came..he clearly did some kind of kicking/jumping action near the ball..so, unless Iverson has some kind of magic ability to predict this would happen AND make the ball move away from Hill at the same time, it's coincidence IMO..still a great pass, though..

[hater]

Grant Hill tried to kick the ball, in an attempt to stop the easy layup, but he mistimed it..Iverson threw it before Hill even got there, unless you believe Allen Iverson is some kind of psychic, that knew Hill would try to kick the ball, and he pin-pointed it to where Hill's 5-hole was going to be..

take your homer glasses off and watch again. Hill tries to avoid kicking the ball. Talk about blind homer

Impressive pass, but there have been many cases of players making bounce passes in traffic.. , JJ Barea had an impressive bounce pass in traffic, just the other night, IIRC..

again, this is a full court bounce pass. Please show me those "similar" barea passes

whether it's 100% intended or not is a moot point. We are talking about the finished products here.
AI's better pass than Wade's by a mile.

[JamStone]

I don't think that Iverson pass was all that special. Honestly.

[JamStone]

that's not even a pass genius. How many assists did Kidd get for that one?

Not an assist, but it was a pass.

[in2deep]

I don't think that Iverson pass was all that special. Honestly.

same thing I think about the Wade pass. I mean they are professional players. Of course they can throw the ball the length of the court. And of course they can catch it and dunk. simple.

of course us mere mortals would never be able to do that.

[monosylab1k]

Not an assist, but it was a pass.

I might believe the "BNSF have smarter takes than GNSF" theory but then that goes down the toilet after you factor in hater and cheguevara.

[cheguevara]

Not an assist, but it was a pass.

I meant a pass for a bucket. Of course if you include ALL passes ever in the league, makes ESPN's claim even more ridiculous

[Kyle Orton]

I meant a pass for a bucket.

lol moving the goal posts

[HarlemHeat37]

lol moving the goal posts

This isn't even a post, genius..

[Kyle Orton]

Um I was on your side of this argument....

[LnGrrrR]

I don't know. It's just something I've never seen before. From a wow factor point of view, I don't know if I can think of many more impressive. But "best" is such a subjective thing when it comes to things like this. How important of a pass and the time and score of the game and how important the game is might be factors to some. Just taking it as an individual play regardless of impact on the game or how important a play it is to the game, I would say for me it's probably in the discussion. I'd probably change the description to "most impressive" instead of "best."

That sounds fair to me. I don't think I'd call it the most impressive if I had a chance to think about it, but it's probably top 3 or so.

[HarlemHeat37]

Um I was on your side of this argument....

check cheguevera's first post..

[DMC]

i know that some fat spurfans have never played basketball before, but for those of us that have, that's not that great of a pass. looks fancy, yes, but it's just an around the back pass. about a 4/10 for skilled basketball players on the difficulty chart.

A full court alley-oop is just ridiculous. You could try that at the rec with just two people and it would still take many attempts to complete.

comparing Manu's pass to a full court alley oop

So you are a fat Spurs fan?