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Matt Bonner getting minutes in the playoffs equals early fishing trip....
wtf?
history repeated....
2nd round and out....rollin up and truckin.
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2. More pathetic misdirection to avoid admitting that you can't make your case.
3. I never said that you didn't say that the Spurs should get Wallace. You have said so many times. What I said is that you have never backed up your baseless assertions. You just say that they missed an opportunity, but never back it up.
4. You don't need to register in order to read the content on the site.
5. You still have utterly failed to make your case. It should be really easy to do.
6. Just provide the players on the 2003-04 Spurs that would have met the salary requirements to acquire Wallace AND would have been comparable to what Portland or Atlanta received.
7. Waiting....
Matt Bonner getting minutes in the playoffs equals early fishing trip....
wtf?
history repeated....
2nd round and out....rollin up and truckin.
Just because he shoots .318 career from behind the arc in the playoffs, doesn't mean it's an unhealthy trend n stuff.Besides, you like fishing.
CHEMISTRY > Talent........all i gotta say.
SIZE & talent > no size & chemistry
You know a lot about balls do ya?
the knicks lol...you don't know nothing bout basketball sequ....lol....the best players on the knocks..amare-melo-billups-?what bout role players....knicks to is a cheap version of the miami heat...sequ your not a true fan your a cliff jumper
If he is a cliff jumper,
then he is the most resilient one on the face of the planet!
Yet, year after year the Spurs are very good or great.
can someone tell me when vince carter became a worse player than richard jefferson? because its true now
The spurs could have offered a package to Atlanta of Rasho, Rose and Mercer for Wallace. Rasho was a starting center, Rose was a solid bench backup and Mercer had some value around the league that never ended up panning out. That is a better offer than what Atlanta got.
You really don't know wtf you're talking about and this post proves it. A few posts back, you said you were talking about the trade from Portland to Atlanta. Now, you're talking about the trade from Atlanta from Detroit. Either way, the Spurs didn't have the pieces to match what Atlanta sent to Portland or what Detroit and Boston sent to Atlanta.
If you're going to claim that the Spurs missed an opportunity either time Wallace was traded that season, you should be able to back it up. The only reason you don't is quite simple. You can't. It's not possible.
Waiting....
Atlanta accepted from Detroit a package of Zeljko Rebraca, Bobby Sura, a first round pick and Chris Mills from Boston. None of those guys were stars. They just dumped Wallace.
The other trade for Wallace that year: R Wallace and Wesley Person went to Atlanta for Shareef Abdur Rahim T Ratliff + Dan au. Rahim was an all star but really very over rated in the end and went down hill fast, Ratliff was a good defensive big and au was a salary match throw in. The spurs offer would been have slightly worse but not that far off.
The spurs could have matched either offer if they really wanted Wallace. They had no interest because Wallace was considered a malcontent that may not work out with the spurs.
Well, at least you finally took the time to check the details of trades. That you were able to type that out with a straight face is remarkable.
Rahim and Ratliff in Feb, 2004 were far better than Rasho and Rose. It's not even close. Anyone with internet access can check that out for themselves. Portland wanted talent back for Rasheed and got it from Atlanta.
Atlanta wanted to dump salary. Rasheed was an expiring contract. Rahim and Ratliff both had contracts that went through the 04-05 season. The trade saved Atlanta about 24M in future obligations. As you noted, they turned around and dumped Wallace. They didn't want their own future obligations and they had no intention of extending or resigning Wallace. They traded him for other expiring contracts plus a first round pick that they used to draft Josh Smith.
There was NO WAY that would have had any interest in the long term contracts of Rasho and Rose. They both had contracts that went through the 08-09 season. Having just shed two contracts that went through 2005, they weren't taking contracts that went through 2009. That's almost as silly as saying that Rasho and Rose were close in talent to Rahim and Ratliff.
So, not enough talent to top the Atlanta offer to Portland and not enough expiring contracts (to say nothing of comparable draft picks) to top the Detroit offer to Atlanta.
You've been blowing smoke all these years. Now you've gone on record with precisely how ridiculous your assertions have been. Thanks. I'll keep this post bookmarked in case you want to spout the Wallace nonsense in the future.
I dont have any info on lenght of contracts from back then. I found salaries for that year and thats it. Who were the Spur expirings that went through 2005? Bowen Horry and Turkoglu were also on that team.
Detroit was able to get a third team involved. Boston was also involved in the deal getting Chucky Atkins, Lindsey Hunter and a first round pick from Detroit. Mills went to Atlanta from boston. So the spurs would have had to work something out with a 3rd team.
There are ways to make things work if they wanted it to happen bad enough. Word had it that they no interest in getting Wallace because they were afraid to add a questionable at ude to the team so no attempt was even made.
The portland deal may have been harder to pull off without adding Manu or Parker. Parker I would not have even considered. I would have built around Parker, Wallace and Duncan and let Manu go.
Case closed.
You now realize that the Spurs didn't have the assets to top the offers made by Atlanta to Portland or by Detroit to Atlanta.
Good to now that you won't be making those false claims any longer.
Thanks.
answer the question. Who were the expiring contracts that ended in 2005 for the spurs? Spurs had assets. That they didn't want to make the trade in the first place is the reason nothing was even attempted.
The problem was they did not have the interest.
Kind of hard to make a trade when you dont have any interest in getting the player (Wallace).
And that is the problem I have with the spurs. That they passed on even attempting to work something out to get Wallace.
You're the one making the baseless assertions. Do your own research.
You've said many times that the Spurs could have had Wallace for scrubs. When challenged, you've moved on to saying that Rose and Rasho were similar in talent to Rahim and Ratliff. Then you went on to trading Horry, Bowen, and Manu.
Hilarious.
Now, you're left with yet another baseless assertion, that they passed without making an attempt. There are two problems with that assertion:
1. You still have the same problem that you've failed to address in this thread, that you can't show that the Spurs could have bettered the assets received in either trade.
2. You have absolutely no proof that they didn't try. The lack of a Wallace trade, or any of the other trades you've whined about that didn't happen, does not prove that trades were not attempted. They only show that an agreement was not reached.
In the end, it all ends up as childish whining and complaining.
Thanks again for detailing precisely how little foundation exists to support your constant complaints. It will make it easier for me the next time you bring it up. I'll only have to quote your posts in this thread.
There was word the spurs had interest in wallace but in 2009 when he was on the rapid decline. Thats about when the spurs have interest, when guys are over the hill.
You're the one making the baseless assertions. Do your own research.
You've said many times that the Spurs could have had Wallace for scrubs. When challenged, you've moved on to saying that Rose and Rasho were similar in talent to Rahim and Ratliff. Then you went on to trading Horry, Bowen, and Manu.
Hilarious.
Now, you're left with yet another baseless assertion, that they passed without making an attempt. There are two problems with that assertion:
1. You still have the same problem that you've failed to address in this thread, that you can't show that the Spurs could have bettered the assets received in either trade.
2. You have absolutely no proof that they didn't try. The lack of a Wallace trade, or any of the other trades you've whined about that didn't happen, does not prove that trades were not attempted. They only show that an agreement was not reached.
In the end, it all ends up as childish whining and complaining.
Thanks again for detailing precisely how little foundation exists to support your constant complaints. It will make it easier for me the next time you bring it up. I'll only have to quote your posts in this thread.
There was no word that the spurs were interested in Wallace in 2004.I remember hearing the opposite that the spurs did not want him becuase they feared he had a bad at ude.
The spurs had assets to get Wallace from Portland which were as good if not better than Atlanta. Those included Bowen Horry Turkuglu Manu Rasho Willis Parker. That they didn't want to trade them is a different story but the assets were there.
I dont have the info on expirings from that time and its not my job to get that info. But the spurs did have some expiring contracts to make a deal with Atlanta-Turkuglu, Mercer(both did not sign back with SA) possibly Willis and Bowen and Horry(were resigned). Rasho and/or Rose would have been dealt for an expiring like Detroit did with getting Boston involved. A 3rd team was needed but if Detroit could do it so could the spurs if they actively pursude Wallace.
There was a number of scenarios that could have worked out if the spurs really wanted Wallace.
Last edited by rascal; 02-27-2011 at 02:11 AM.
If you're arguing that the Spurs should have done this or that, the burden of proof is on you to back the argument up.
Not seeing a whole lot of that so far.
Pathetically desperate to avoid admitting that you've been full of it all these years? You've gone from saying they could have gotten him for scrubs to saying they could have gotten him for a package that included Parker. The same Parker who you just said you would have built the team around.
In the past few posts you've suggested traded every player on the 2003-04 roster except for the two-time defending MVP.
So, just in this thread, your position has moved from "they could have gotten Wallace for scrubs" to "they could have gotten Wallace without having to give up Tim Duncan".
That's some hilarious, first class, goalpost moving there, rascal.
Classic. I'll be quoting from this thread for years to come.
Like this, for example:
Classic.
Sequ wit da goods baby!
Exactly as I say. This man types one ing word on ST and everybody replies. Literally he is a god.
To bad nobody likes him.
My position has not moved. I would not have traded Parker . Quit twisting the argument to something that it is not. I am just pointing out that you making the claim that the spurs did not have any assets to get Wallace is ridiculous.
Pathetically desperate to avoid admitting that you've been full of it all these years? You've gone from saying they could have gotten him for scrubs to saying they could have gotten him for a package that included Parker. The same Parker who you just said you would have built the team around.
In the past few posts you've suggested traded every player on the 2003-04 roster except for the two-time defending MVP.
So, just in this thread, your position has moved from "they could have gotten Wallace for scrubs" to "they could have gotten Wallace without having to give up Tim Duncan".
That's some hilarious, first class, goalpost moving there, rascal.
Classic. I'll be quoting from this thread for years to come.
They could have gotten him from Atlanta for scrubs with expiring contracts because that is all Atlanta wanted back. They would have had to move Rasho to another team looking for a big in a 3 team deal like Detroit pulled off for an expiring. Then package that with mercer and Turkoglu to get Wallace or some type of deal like that.
Last edited by rascal; 02-27-2011 at 11:06 AM.
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