2011 Draft Prospect: Jeremy Tyler

[ivanfromwestwood]

Bonner thread?

[SenorSpur]

Bonner thread?

I know. I got sucked in to this.

Let's get back to Tyler.

[pad300]

His so-called "well-earned reputation as a playoff choker" should be looked at in the proper context, because the reality is, the stagnation that has occurred in 3-point shooting during the playoffs has mostly been team-wide. If I recall correctly, Manu Ginobili in a blog post even went so far as to say one of the primary reasons for their loss to the Grizzlies was the inability of everyone in the team, save for RJ (RJ!), to consistently rely on the weapon that had made them so deadly all regular season long.

Of course, you are correct on one point. The decline in 3-pt shooting was team wide, but it affect Bonner more because 3-pt shooting is his ONLY skill - which makes him a severe on-court liability, when he's not hitting shots.

...

Say whatever you want. It doesn't matter what happens during the regular season. All I know is what I see. It occurs every year about this time. It's an annual event just like the changing of the four seasons or the Swallows invading Capistrano. That is, when playoff time rolls around, when the lights get bright and the playoff pressure turns up, Matt Bonner is nowhere to be found. That, my friend, cannot be disputed.

Yep, Mentally weak players.
Consider
Bruce Bowen Career regular season 3P% .393 Career Playoff 3P% .422
Robert Horry RS 3P% .341 Playoffs 3P% .359
Brent Barry RS 3P% .405 Playoffs 3P% .416

Guys who had the stones for playoff ball
We go away from guys like that, and up with guys like this:

Matt Bonner Career regular season 3P% .414 Career Playoff 3P% .323
Richard Jefferson RS 3P% .365 Playoffs 3P% .309

Any questions as to why we get beaten by lower seeded teams. If RJ and Bonner had made one more 3 per game between them the two of them, I think we beat the Griz. Games 1 and 3 are at least tied at the buzzer, and I suspect we take them, having bigger leads/less of a hill to climb late...

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6'11" tall, 260 lbs, 7'5" wingspan, notable athleticism for his size...Nothing more.

At the bottom end of this draft, I suspect that's enough...

Wow, that's thin.

Don't know about that. Those kind of measurements been enough for a lot of first rounders over the years... For example, one Ian Mahinmi had less going for him physically.

[Bruno]

Don't know about that. Those kind of measurements been enough for a lot of first rounders over the years... For example, one Ian Mahinmi had less going for him physically.

Mahinmi wasn't draft only on his physical skills, he was also playing well in French league.

Has Tyler at least one good game at a significant level?

[ducks]

I haven't read the past dozen or so posts, so I just want to know, why is Jeremy Tyler getting so much conversation? I'll sum up what this thread should be:

NBA body-positive
Questions on being NBA ready-negative.
Interview-positive
Combine-tested and played well enough to maybe warrant a late first round pick
Vertical-he, like many others, probably jumps higher in a game
Age-19-positive/negative

it is called offseason for spurs

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Mahinmi wasn't draft only on his physical skills, he was also playing well in French league.

Has Tyler at least one good game at a significant level?

I seem to recall something about a 24 and 11 game with Tokyo Apache.

[Bruno]

I seem to recall something about a 24 and 11 game with Tokyo Apache.

I wouldn't call Japanese second league a "significant" level.

I'm not bashing Tyler or saying Spurs shouldn't draft him. I'm just really surprised to see him getting consideration for a first round pick only because of physical tools.

I don't remember a player being drafted recently in the first round with no BB production at a significant level. Even a physical beast like Saer Sene had a game (the Nike hoops summit) to show he was able to play some compe ive BB.

[ducks]

Tyler is SEVERELY immature. You can't teach maturity - you can coax it out of guys but ultimately idiots will show their true colors sooner or later.

Unless this kid is projected to be the next Wilt Chamberlain, I wouldn't draft him. If he goes undrafted, I'd take a look at him then.

sj acted fine as a spur

[k_nguyen93]

Will the Spurs pick another under the radar prospect and stash him away for a few years or try to get someone who can play now to add to their bench depth? They need some young talent.

Chad Ford (1:51 PM)
They like USC's Nikola Vucevic a lot ... and he's a NOW player. But I don't think he'll be there at 29. Vucevic is really rising on draft boards. I have them taking Jeremy Tyler right now in my mock. Great value and the Spurs know how to develop talent.

[Uriel]

I know. I got sucked in to this.

Let's get back to Tyler.

Since we're getting out of topic, I posted my response to your post in the Think Tank thread for Matt Bonner.

Now, getting back to Tyler.

So the Spurs should draft a guy that was a third string PF in a small Israeli League club?

Keep in mind that he was playing in Japan's version of the D-League. He was not actually playing in the first level league of Japan.

I wouldn't call Japanese second league a "significant" level.

I'm not bashing Tyler or saying Spurs shouldn't draft him. I'm just really surprised to see him getting consideration for a first round pick only because of physical tools.

Unfortunately for Tyler, I think KBP and Bruno are right. Jeremy Tyler has tremendous upside and all the physical tools to play in the NBA, but the reality is, he's just not good enough to play at the NBA level at the moment. If the Spurs do end up drafting him, I'd be hard pressed to see him suddenly make the transformation from a backup center in obscure leagues in Israel and Japan to productive role player in the NBA, especially given the fact that this team still intends to compete for a championship, and Tyler is, at present, nowhere near good enough to be a significant contributor toward that end. With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs follow the same path they did with Ian Mahinmi with Tyler; that is, send him down to the Toros and let him develop there. As impressed as many of us were with his interview, we did note one problem area, and that was his unwillingness to remain a bench warmer when he makes the leap to the NBA. Yet, given his current level of basketball skill, that seems all but inevitable, at least to me.

Besides, we've already got a project big man with tremendous upside in Ryan Richards. At least he's willing to play in the D-League. And if we're really insistent on getting another player with Tyler's niche, why not Lucas Nogueira? He's even younger, will likely remain overseas for a couple more years which gives him time to develop, and is likely to be available by the time the Spurs pick, at least from the mock drafts I've seen as of late (DraftExpress, ESPN).

[elemento]

I would rather Lucas Nogueira as well

[Tyrone Jenkins]

Not sure if this has been posted on earlier pages but here's Tyler...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/sp...l/08tyler.html

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So according to this forum, Euroleague games "don't count", but Japan's version of the D-League do?

Hey, it's a random Fake Greek...

I didn't say Euro league games don't count. Bruno asked if Tyler had ever had a good game somewhere...But what do you care about context. You're a delusional fake greek who thinks that Spanoulis is the best in the world.

[pad300]

I haven't seen this posted yet

http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2011...apan#storyjump

[Bruno]

Tyler will have his second workout with Spurs tomorrow:
http://thehoopsreport.com/workouts.a...=San%20Antonio

[JonNOKC]

The NY TImes article could describe any number of 18 year olds who got "big head syndrome" and some bad advice - maturity levels vary greatly among people at that age and the average person grows up when they see the results of their immaturity

Their is no doubt risk in taking Tyler but obviously a lot of scouts see upside there. If the Spurs are looking at 3 guys that may be there at 29 (Tyler, Johnson, & Nogueira) then the one thing that you have to also take into consideration is Ryan Richards and just how confident they are in his future - out of those 3 players only Tyler could play extended minutes next to RR, Johnson is a PF and lacks bulk. Richards & Nogueira both seem to have the body types that will always be on the lean side (although both are young so you never know but I would be surprised if either guy made it to 250) so I see Tyler as the only true 5 out of 3 guys you are hearing most about.

[yavozerb]

The NY TImes article could describe any number of 18 year olds who got "big head syndrome" and some bad advice - maturity levels vary greatly among people at that age and the average person grows up when they see the results of their immaturity

Their is no doubt risk in taking Tyler but obviously a lot of scouts see upside there. If the Spurs are looking at 3 guys that may be there at 29 (Tyler, Johnson, & Nogueira) then the one thing that you have to also take into consideration is Ryan Richards and just how confident they are in his future - out of those 3 players only Tyler could play extended minutes next to RR, Johnson is a PF and lacks bulk. Richards & Nogueira both seem to have the body types that will always be on the lean side (although both are young so you never know but I would be surprised if either guy made it to 250) so I see Tyler as the only true 5 out of 3 guys you are hearing most about.

RR should not play into the decesion making for the spurs. For one, he is not even close to an NBA player at this time and two, he is not even signed at this time. As much as I hate say this, Tyler is further along in his deveopment than is RR.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

Splitter is by far more offensively gifted than he is defensive. The Spurs, if they keep Splitter which I figure they will w/ Tim leaving after next season for retirement, need DEFENSIVE help in the front court. That's what McDyess was.

Tyler is anything but defensive and isn't a great back to the basket player. His mid-range game is by far better than his low post play so he's actually a PF in a C body.

Not what the Spurs need. They need a Tyson Chandler type (long, athletic, high jumping and muscular).

[pad300]

Splitter is by far more offensively gifted than he is defensive. The Spurs, if they keep Splitter which I figure they will w/ Tim leaving after next season for retirement, need DEFENSIVE help in the front court. That's what McDyess was.

Tyler is anything but defensive and isn't a great back to the basket player. His mid-range game is by far better than his low post play so he's actually a PF in a C body.

Not what the Spurs need. They need a Tyson Chandler type (long, athletic, high jumping and muscular).

Long, athletic, high jumping, and muscular....
From draft express

Wingspan Standing Reach No Step Vert Max Vert Bench Press Lane Agility 3/4 Court Sprint
7' 3" 9' 2" 31.0 33.5 2 12.13 3.36
7' 4.5" 9' 3.5" 30.5 35.5 7 11.21 3.14
7' 5" 9' 2.5" 28.0 33.5 10 11.26 3.29

The 1st guy is Tyson Chandler when drafted
The 2nd guy is Dwight Howard when drafted
The 3ed guy is Tyler Smith

..Of the players we can in any way expect to be available at #29, the guy who fits that description IS TYLER. Seriously 7'5" wingspan, 33.5" max vertical leap. 10 Bench reps. 11.26 Lane Agility Test, 3.29 3/4 court sprint.

Yep, he's not a defender now. Neither was Tyson coming into the league. Tyler will have to learn, just like Tyson did. The question is does he have the brains and character to learn. If the answer is yes, you draft him! If you think the answer is no, the run away and draft someone else...

[spurs777]

He hangs out with the wrong crowd, he is like the 16 year old that hasn't grown up yet

[Uriel]

And if we're really insistent on getting another player with Tyler's niche, why not Lucas Nogueira? He's even younger, will likely remain overseas for a couple more years which gives him time to develop, and is likely to be available by the time the Spurs pick, at least from the mock drafts I've seen as of late (DraftExpress, ESPN).

DX's latest mock now has Lucas Nogueira being picked at 26 by the Mavericks, while Jeremy Tyler remains available at 29 as he is predicted to go to early in the 2nd round to the Rockets. On the other hand, NBADraft.net has Tyler being picked ahead of us while Nogueira, who doesn't show up in the mock, is probably presumed to wait out another year. Chad Ford of ESPN has both of them available at 29 with Tyler in particular going to the Spurs.

Granted, mock drafts like this should be taken with a huge grain of salt because of the highly unpredictable nature of the draft, but like I stated earlier, if we're really insistent on getting a project big man late in the 1st round, I do think at least one of these 2 will be available to us, and if they're both available, it will be interesting to see who the Spurs will pick (my money's on Tyler though because the 2nd workout he got definitely indicates interest from the Spurs).

Still, I continue to think trading out of the 1st round is a more plausible scenario than most people give credit for, and it might not be an overstatement given the shallow talent pool in this draft and the immense depth of next year's one by consequence that a late 1st rounder in this draft might be of even lesser value than a mid to late 2nd rounder in the draft next year.

[SenorSpur]

DX's latest mock now has Lucas Nogueira being picked at 26 by the Mavericks, while Jeremy Tyler remains available at 29 as he is predicted to go to early in the 2nd round to the Rockets. On the other hand, NBADraft.net has Tyler being picked ahead of us while Nogueira, who doesn't show up in the mock, is probably presumed to wait out another year. Chad Ford of ESPN has both of them available at 29 with Tyler in particular going to the Spurs.

Granted, mock drafts like this should be taken with a huge grain of salt because of the highly unpredictable nature of the draft, but like I stated earlier, if we're really insistent on getting a project big man late in the 1st round, I do think at least one of these 2 will be available to us, and if they're both available, it will be interesting to see who the Spurs will pick (my money's on Tyler though because the 2nd workout he got definitely indicates interest from the Spurs).

Still, I continue to think trading out of the 1st round is a more plausible scenario than most people give credit for, and it might not be an overstatement given the shallow talent pool in this draft and the immense depth of next year's one by consequence that a late 1st rounder in this draft might be of even lesser value than a mid to late 2nd rounder in the draft next year.

I've NEVER been a fan of trading out of the round -especially if you're taking a risk that the desired player will be around later. Obviously, the Spurs will have several options at their pick, late in the round. If the player you want is there - JUST TAKE HIM.

[ChuckD]

I've NEVER been a fan of trading out of the round -especially if you're taking a risk that the desired player will be around later. Obviously, the Spurs will have several options at their pick, late in the round. If the player you want is there - JUST TAKE HIM.

First round, guaranteed contract
second round, NO guaranteed contract.

That is why you trade out, especially in a draft like this where every player between 20 and 60 is interchangeable. If it were me, I'd trade this year's first rounder for cash, and pick(s) in next year's draft. There are a lot of dumb GMs who want to get a pick or an additional pick in this first round.

[Uriel]

I've NEVER been a fan of trading out of the round -especially if you're taking a risk that the desired player will be around later. Obviously, the Spurs will have several options at their pick, late in the round. If the player you want is there - JUST TAKE HIM.

I'm sorry, I wasn't being very clear. I meant to say I thought it was plausible to trade out the first round for draft picks in NEXT YEAR's draft because of the sheer depth of it, at least, comparatively speaking, with this year's. Incidentally, I would really appreciate it if you took the time to respond to my rebutall of your post regarding Matt Bonner, which I posted earlier in this thread, and in the Think Tank thread dedicated for him. Since you are one of the foremost Bonner critics on the forum, I spent a considerable deal of effort trying to defend the man, and I'd really appreciate it if you could justify the time I spent doing so by gracing it with a proper response. Thanks.