Hill the PG

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Of course not, did I say they were? Hill makes Conley look like Steve Nash at the pg, move him up to the shooting guard against the Kobes/Wades/Allens and he gets ed up. He blows!

Didn't you? Your posts don't really make any sense, but everyone's using this loss as an excuse to on the players they secretly hate.

[Kori Ellis]

Where the were you guys last season when he was the starting PG during the 2nd half of the yr and the team completely turned their season around with him running the show?But yea let's ignore that and point to one poor half of play, lets go off of that and completely write him off as a PG.

During the time Tony was out last year, Manu was pretty much the PG. George Hill has had very few games in his career where he actually "ran the show." I like him a lot -- as a backup SG. But he averaged less than 1 assist in almost 35 mpg in the playoffs last year -- on par with guys like Bonner. No one should be surprised by his lack of PG skills at this point. During this stretch when Tony is out, he'll probably (hopefully) have a few great games. But he's really just not PG.

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BTW, expect Carlos Arroyo to be a Spur within 24 hours.

[DesignatedT]

The hornets game was a million times worse son

Hornets had about 5 open 3's in a row

I was talking about Hill tonight, not the team performance.

Key word: Individual

[Spurs da champs]

Didn't you? Your posts don't really make any sense, but everyone's using this loss as an excuse to on the players they secretly hate.

lol ok sir.
Hill has always shown he can't run the point; he already peaked, might as well trade him while he still has worth in the off season.

[gospursgojas]

During the time Tony was out last year, Manu was pretty much the PG. George Hill has had very few games in his career where he actually "ran the show." I like him a lot -- as a backup SG. But he averaged less than 1 assist in almost 35 mpg in the playoffs last year -- on par with guys like Bonner. No one should be surprised by his lack of PG skills at this point. During this stretch when Tony is out, he'll probably (hopefully) have a few great games. But he's really just not PG.

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BTW, expect Carlos Arroyo to be a Spur within 24 hours.

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[Spurs Brazil]

BTW, expect Carlos Arroyo to be a Spur within 24 hours.

Before the game I was 100% against it, after see Quinn and Hill why not give Arroyo a shot

[redskinfan]

Hill the PG needs Timmy the hall of famer to help!

[Ditty]

I was talking about Hill tonight, not the team performance.

Key word: Individual

Ohh I thought it was more of horrible play from alot of individual players that game

ohh well there's been many other ty performances this season, that have gone unnoticed because we've been winning.

[FkLA]

During the time Tony was out last year, Manu was pretty much the PG. George Hill has had very few games in his career where he actually "ran the show." I like him a lot -- as a backup SG. But he averaged less than 1 assist in almost 35 mpg in the playoffs last year -- on par with guys like Bonner. No one should be surprised by his lack of PG skills at this point. During this stretch when Tony is out, he'll probably (hopefully) have a few great games. But he's really just not PG.

Hill isnt a pass first guy but he can be a scoring PG. And a starting caliber PG at that especially in the Spurs system where as you mentioned he has Manu who has great vision and can help him with the distributing...his strength will always be scoring but there is no reason why he couldnt average 4-5 apg with extended minutes. Which is what Parker averaged during his first five years or so in the league btw. His handles are solid too, one bad night doesnt change that. The Spurs are grooming him as a PG, I dont see why Spurstalk is bent on making him a SG. The kid is in his 3rd yr, still learning the position, give him time before you write him off as a PG.

[Warlord23]

Hill isnt a pass first guy but he can be a scoring PG. And a starting caliber PG at that especially in the Spurs system where as you mentioned he has Manu who has great vision and can help him with the distributing...his strength will always be scoring but there is no reason why he couldnt average 4-5 apg with extended minutes. Which is what Parker averaged during his first five years or so in the league btw. His handles are solid too, one bad night doesnt change that. The Spurs are grooming him as a PG, I dont see why Spurstalk is bent on making him a SG. The kid is in his 3rd yr, still learning the position, give him time before you write him off as a PG.

I'll start believing this BS as soon as Hill can prove that he can bring the ball across half court and throw it to Tim or Manu with 10 or more seconds on the shot clock. The corpse of Jacque Vaughn could have done better than Hill.

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Hill isnt a pass first guy but he can be a scoring PG. And a starting caliber PG at that especially in the Spurs system where as you mentioned he has Manu who has great vision and can help him with the distributing...his strength will always be scoring but there is no reason why he couldnt average 4-5 apg with extended minutes. Which is what Parker averaged during his first five years or so in the league btw. His handles are solid too, one bad night doesnt change that. The Spurs are grooming him as a PG, I dont see why Spurstalk is bent on making him a SG. The kid is in his 3rd yr, still learning the position, give him time before you write him off as a PG.

Stupid post of the year nominee.

[HarlemHeat37]

Hill has absolutely no PG skills at all..I completely disagree about his handles..as a SG, I could see the argument, but his ball-handling isn't nearly advanced enough to play the PG position..

He's a terrible passer, he has no court vision, he has confidence issues..if you want to be a starting PG on a good team, those are 3 flaws that are fatal to your potential success..

I like Hill, I think he's a very solid player, but his ceiling is a very good 6th man..his age isn't an excuse for his inep ude as a PG..it's very difficult for any player to make the transition to the PG position, as it is, but any player that has hopes of eventually becoming a starting PG would have already shown flashes of consistency at the position by now..

[xellos88330]

He was a deer in the headlights tonight. He doesn't get a pass from me for this crap performance. This is his third year on the team, he should know better. No excuses for the guy, he has the ability to step up, and instead he steps backwards at the first sign of pressure. I expected a whole lot more than he showed tonight. Hopefully tomorrow Pop will either light a fire under his ass, or make Manu the PG.

[FkLA]

Its pretty easy to rip on a guy after arguably the worst game of his career. I agree that his handles arent top notch but they also arent as atrocious as tonight's game suggests....by solid I didnt mean that they were exceptional. His vision is actually pretty poor, but like I said when you have a guy with Manu's distributing ability that can help him shoulder some of the load. Similar to how playing alongside a prime TD took alot of pressure of Tony in that respect, because tbh Tony wasnt exactly a great orchestrator in his earlier yrs either...he was a scoring PG and very little else. People seem to forget that Speedy Claxton had to bail him out during several 4th qtrs in the 03' playoffs because of his inability to run the offense efficiently.

Now obviously Hill likely wont develope into the PG Parker is today, but the kid can develope into a starting PG imo. In due time.

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Its pretty easy to rip on a guy after arguably the worst game of his career. I agree that his handles arent top notch but they also arent as atrocious as tonight's game suggests....by solid I didnt mean that they were exceptional. His vision is actually pretty poor, but like I said when you have a guy with Manu's distributing ability that can help him shoulder some of the load. Similar to how playing alongside a prime TD took alot of pressure of Tony in that respect, because tbh Tony wasnt exactly a great orchestrator in his earlier yrs either...he was a scoring PG and very little else. People seem to forget that Speedy Claxton had to bail him out during several 4th qtrs in the 03' playoffs because of his inability to run the offense efficiently.

Now obviously Hill likely wont develope into the PG Parker is today, but the kid can develope into a starting PG imo. In due time.

Not exactly.

[FkLA]

He didnt get benched in favor Speedy during that le run?

[BackHome]

I don't know why it is such a suprise that Hill is not a PG some of us having been saying that since he came in the league. The guy is SG and will always be a SG don't make him into something he is not....He doesn't have court vision, ball skills, and court awareness.

He does need to keep on working on the corner shot and taking the ball the the rack and being able to finish. He needs to be reminded that he is our defense stopper he is not Manu..

[rmt]

I'll never complain about TP's passing ever again. Hill needs to leave the passing to Manu, Duncan or (even) Neal. Hope this stretch doesn't mess with Hill's confidence going into the playoffs.

Spurs have been a well-oiled machine this year. Parker being out and Manu having a bad game really highlights how dependent RJ, Bonner and Neal (somewhat) are on being set up. It's not even that the players were shooting poorly - just all out of sync.

Spurs have 4 SGs and 1 SF. Brewer, please come to SA.

[SenorSpur]

I don't get how the kid STILL is unable to run a simple pick-n-roll.

[Hoops Czar]

I don't get how the kid STILL is unable to run a simple pick-n-roll.

Not everyone learns at the same speed.

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't get how the kid STILL is unable to run a simple pick-n-roll.

He hasn't developed efficient counters for strong hedges.

[SenorSpur]

I like Hill and he's a good player most nights. However I still believe he's going to have to develop abilities as a combo guard to have a prolonged career. His future as strictly a 6'2" SG, will be sorely limited.

Ben Gordon is a streaky and undersized shooting guard at 6'2". However, he's managing to survive because he's got a terrific stroke - along with some clutch.

I don't see that in Hill's future.

[TD 21]

Hill has absolutely no PG skills at all..I completely disagree about his handles..as a SG, I could see the argument, but his ball-handling isn't nearly advanced enough to play the PG position..

He's a terrible passer, he has no court vision, he has confidence issues..if you want to be a starting PG on a good team, those are 3 flaws that are fatal to your potential success..

I like Hill, I think he's a very solid player, but his ceiling is a very good 6th man..his age isn't an excuse for his inep ude as a PG..it's very difficult for any player to make the transition to the PG position, as it is, but any player that has hopes of eventually becoming a starting PG would have already shown flashes of consistency at the position by now..

Excellent post.

Hill is a more athletic, normal version of Delonte West. Barring a catastrophic injury, he'll be one of the better sixth men in the league for a long time. He's a perfect third guard for this team, because of the way he compliments Parker and Ginobili.

But, when he's forced to legitimately play PG, he get's exposed. The Spurs got away with it last season for two reasons. 1) Ginobili was playing out of his mind, to the point where he was the best player in the league down the stretch. 2) Hill wasn't established yet. He wasn't a focus of opposing defenses. Now, everyone knows about him and they all know he's not a PG, which is why you see his dribble pressured more and him facing more traps. When the big three are whole, he's able to fly under the radar. When one's down, particularly Parker, he becomes a bigger part of the focus for the opposition.

[jjktkk]

I like Hill and he's a good player most nights. However I still believe he's going to have to develop abilities as a combo guard to have a prolonged career. His future as strictly a 6'2" SG, will be sorely limited.

Ben Gordon is a streaky and undersized shooting guard at 6'2". However, he's managing to survive because he's got a terrific stroke - along with some clutch.

I don't see that in Hill's future.

Hill has a future has a sg who can defend and knock down the 3. Not really starting material, more of a bench guy. I actually use to think he could play some point, but that ship has sailed. if he hasn't shown any improvement as a pg in year 3.....