Is this graph trying to tell me that no one in the U.S. gets paid days off for vacation or holidays?
Dumbass. I have guys that want all the overtime they can get. I don't always have it, but get it for them anytime I can. I'm not perpetuating that 40 hours is sub-par. He and I am both saying that the guys that want the overtime are typically also our best employees.
I really could give a about your charts and graphs. Move to Finland if we are so evil.
I was wondering this as well. A little confused since I get four weeks off a year. (plus holidays)
Same here. These are the guys that tend to care about the work they do, too.
In this day and age, it's a rarity.
Ok, so I do have to say that I agree with CC that those who demand extra hours probably have a good work ethic. Though the other option is that they have to work that many hours because the ran up their bills, or even want to impress the boss in the midst of this jobless recovery. However, I do want to say that it directly affects their abilities to parent. I only bring this up because there were complaints in this thread about parenting abilities. So while the work ethic may be admirable, I would think that a balance would be more admirable. (the hard workers brought up in this thread may be single and no kids so this may not apply, but I am talking in generalizations).
Funny, I have a degree in mathematics. My third semester calculus class had 1 guy and 6 women.
just curious. whatd you end up doing with your math degree?
Work ethic has little to do with how many hours somebody wants to work or if they want to work overtime. When I was younger and didn't have a wife to care for, I had no problem doing 12-15 hour marathons on some days (crunch time), then switching back to 8-10 hours a day. Nowadays, it would be impossible for me to do that at all, and work ethic has nothing to do with it.
It's all about showing that you care for what you do, and you take responsibility for the good and the bad, IMO.
Quelle surprise.
I'd like to, but the language barrier is a . The women there are ing gorgeous, though. I'm thinking Australia/NZ maybe after grad school.
Maybe the people there aren't ing re s.
I'm absolutely shocked that you're still a student.
Really this is a pretty fun quote. Here's how it should read:
I'm absolutely shocked that you look down on someone pursuing an advanced degree.
Absolutely correct.
I could easily split the job into two shifts with almost exclusive part time employees whom I wouldnt have to pay overtime (huge expense, ~230k per year), health insurance (huge expense, ~90k a year), dental and a matching 401k (medium expense, ~35k per year) to.
Instead I employ people who want hours, who want work and enjoy the over-sized checks every week.
Its somewhat mutually beneficial in that as the employer I know the morale of my crew is always high and dedicated. Expense-wise, it costs me more to do it this way but I would never consider the alternative. It may be a better for the bottom line, but then you'll have higher turnover, more scrap, less dedication and oodles of time dedicated to training and re-training.
But all employers are assholes who would sell their mother if they could make an extra buck.
(Debatable for mothers-in-law, but I digress).
That was damned funny.
Chump in rare form.
I have to agree. The people that want the hours are the same people I trust speaking with our customers and vendors.
Theyre extremely dedicated. We once worked 23 hours in a row (circa 2006) and each guy was back to work less than 6 hours later.
This year has been the busiest ever. Im hiring people left and right and working them to the bone. Our line of work does not require any sort of higher education, a GED will do. The starting position only requires that you know how to read a scale (a "ruler" for the uninitiated), can comprehend numbers to the 3rd decimal place and can convert standard to metric.
Most of the newbies I hire come from nothing. Broken homes, welfare families, drug addict parents, abusive lifestyles...you name it, these young men have experienced it in the worst ways.
They come from Joe-jobs...McDonalds, Best Buy, local restaurants, gas stations, etc. No future, no training to take anywhere, no education, no applicable skills. In less than 6 months, they can get a job anywhere in the manufacturing business, people that move on usually find themselves moving south to fill the automotive void down there. They only need apply and reference the line of work theyve been in and it usually bodes well for an interview.
Is it glamorous? No, not at all. Its dirty, its loud, it can be dangerous if youre an idiot and its the hardest damn work youve ever done in your life for long, long hours.
But with the hours, a new employee can fully expect to make 40k+ a year with benefits and a matching 401k program with bonuses.
Top dogs make double that with no problem and bigger bonuses.
All with no high school diploma required. It breaks a cycle in their family, I literally see it all the time in these guys. The feel like theyre accomplishing something, they feel appreciated and they finally know what financial independence feels like...something most of their "parents" have never known.
I took a kid out the Delco projects who didnt know his ass from his elbow. Taught him how to mig weld, what penetration and porocity was, proper technique and filled his days with work, work, work in that field. On his own dime, he paid for school to get certified mig, tig, arc and rod. Got an opportunity with a sewage company to hire in as an underground welder. That kid now makes more money than me working less hours. All from the child of a crack-addicted -up mother who never even knew the father's name.
I dont need to justify what kind of business I run, I know what kind of business I run from all the handshakes and "thank you"s I get from ex-employees who without the opportunity my company provides would be probably dead, in prison or a defunct loser waiting for death on the taxpayer.
Or you could do what the military does, put 'em all on salary and bleed them dry.
That's the best thing about the military, to me. Not only have I learned invaluable technical skills, but people/leadership skills as well.
Everyone in those countries gets that vacation, by law. The zero you see under the US is the legal required vacation you must provide by law.
everybody else.
So do you not want someone who works his ass off while there but only wants to work 40 hours per week? I just do not equate quan y of hours at a job with work ethic. Rather, it is the quality and dedication while at work that reflect one's work ethic. Some people work hard when they get home, too.
The true American spirit!
Yes I was drunk, no I am not ashamed. Griping about the goodies others get smacks of ingra ude.
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