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nor was he 6'9
btw he was 6'10" 220
my bad... but he wasn't 6'11
nor was he 6'9
Let's see ...
Wilt Chamberlain
Bill Russell
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Michael Jordan
Hakeem Olajuwon
Moses Malone
David Robinson
Jerry West
Bob Cousy
Which 9 on this list would you take out to make room for Shaq?
From what I've seen of Shaq's personal life, he seems like a great guy.
Sure, he ribs other teams, like the Spurs and the Kings, and he made fun of Yao Ming's ethnicity, which was totally unacceptable.
But I think Shaq's just dumb. He doesn't think before he does things, and it gets him in trouble sometimes.
Also, his glory days are fading fast. IF the Pistons don't beat the Heat, the Spurs will. He's not worth what he's being paid, that's for sure, not with his injuries.
Most casual observers would boot off the Admiral. By casual I mean not old enough to have seen David run circles around Shaq back when he was healthy and The Man.
People here hate Shaq because he has beaten the Spurs more often than he has lost to them.
Whew, I would have just left his comparisons of Russell to Wallace, the Davises and Horry by itself to let all the readers bask in his ignorant glory. Using somebody's height to downplay their greatness is just sad. Wes Unseld, Oakley and Rodman are all under 6'9" but were great defenders of big men and amazing rebounders, how do you explain that?
That's why you REALLY hate the Spurs.
Yeah, but there is still 8 more to take off.
BTW, just got reminded by another poster about Oscar Robertson and Elgin Baylor.
So, 10 more to take off.
On that list, I would place Jordan (the most fundamentally sound basketball player that I have ever seen) and MAYBE Bill Russell ahead of Shaq. He has already surpassed players like Bird, Magic, and Wilt.
well i'm not mad at shaqim just mad w/ all the publicity his offer got in comparison to what Mikan got during his struggles
This is why I don't think the "best of all time" arguments are accurate. How can you compare guards to forwards and forwards to centers? Its all subjective, I guess.
Talk about a homer.... how exactly has Shaq surpassed Bird, Magic and Wilt?
Man, I have to see doctor from the stomach cramps I get from laughing too loud.
Just to keep the spirit going, I also find the Lada to be a superior vehicle to BMWs.
<<Hates Shaq because he is a y bas . I dont give two s for his childish at ude and tasteless jokes. Just not a classy guy in my book. Dont get me wrong I think he is a gamer. I saw him at club three years ago after the lakers had beaten the Spurs in a regular season game and noone went up to him. Personally I wanted to Jump up and punch him in the nuts. I dont hate him cause he has beaten us before, cause Hakeem owned us but I liked him all around.
Winning 3 les in a row (and winning 3 straight NBA Finals MVPs in a row) is a good start.
And I'm the biggest Magic Johnson fan EVER. So take that to heart in this discussion.
So winning 5 les, 3 MVPs, 2 Finals MVP (or was it 3), 9 Finals appearance is not a good start?
And how about Bird? 3 rings, 3 straight MVPs?
Wilt? 2 MVPs, a 68-13 season, and another 69-13 season? 100 point game, 50.4 average, 55 rebounds, 27.4 average? Leading the league in assists as a centre.
Let's see what Shaq has done:
Winning 3 straight les, 3 straight finals MVP (very impressive), one MVP, a 67-15 season, 15-1 postseason record, zero rebounding les, zero blocked shot le, one scoring le as the MDE, getting swept out of the playoffs 3 times, not making the playoffs during his rookie year. And there there is the playing overweight and not getting into shape kind of unprofessionalism. Shaq COULD have been the best ever, he COULD have been the top 5 player ever, but he just isn't.
Washington Post:
"There's no one I really hate, but Kobe Bryant had a demeanor of being very y," he said. "What happened with Shaq. . . . If I had a chance to play with Shaq or Tim Duncan, if they told me to buy them groceries, I don't care, I buy them groceries. It's a gift to play with somebody like that. Kobe is probably one of the guys that, everybody knows it, he's got that y arrogance to him, everything has to surround around him the whole time. Otherwise, he doesn't function. That's the biggest example.
"If you're playing with Shaquille [O'Neal], a Hall of Famer, you keep your mouth shut and play if you want more rings," Bogut continued...
Lose the hate, ambchang. It will help improve the quality of your life.
Shaq is a top 3 player. Nuff said.
in your opinion. but that doesn't make it so. ambchang has the right to feel how he wants.Shaq is a top 3 player. Nuff said.
Actually russell was probly in the 6'6 to 6'8 range. They might have listed him at 6'9 or 6'10. Just like duncan isn't 7'0 and more like 6'10 and shaq is more like just under 7'0 and not 7'1. Height aside, from players i haven't watched oscar robertson was probably the best player of all time.
Of the players I've watched I think these guys are better:
(In no particular order)
1. Garnett
2. duncan
3. hakeem
4. magic
5. moses malone
6. jordan
7. bird
Didn't Wilt start playing before Finals MVP awards?
Wilt led the league in PPG for 7 straight years. His average is 30.1 ppg.
Led rebounding for 11 of his 14 years. 22.9 reb. avg.
As for Magic Johnson, winning 5 les, and 3 Final MVPs over 8 years is more impressive than 3 les and 3 MVPs in a row.
Even more impressive is Magic did this with other MVP players around him (like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who won the Finals MVP in 1984-85).
And Bird? Well, true, he only has two final MVP awards. But he does have 3 rings. And the only reason he doesn't have more is the aforementioned Lakers that stopped him.
But let's take your argument a step further: Since you think that Shaq is a top 3 player, than Tim Duncan should be right beneath him, since he bookmarked the Shaq Era with 2 Rings, and 2 Final MVPs.
Soon enough Adidas11's logic will be his own demise... as he will never admit that Duncan was a greater i.e. "more dominant" player than Shaq.Didn't Wilt start playing before Finals MVP awards?
Wilt led the league in PPG for 7 straight years. His average is 30.1 ppg.
Led rebounding for 11 of his 14 years. 22.9 reb. avg.
As for Magic Johnson, winning 5 les, and 3 Final MVPs over 8 years is more impressive than 3 les and 3 MVPs in a row.
Even more impressive is Magic did this with other MVP players around him (like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who won the Finals MVP in 1984-85).
And Bird? Well, true, he only has two final MVP awards. But he does have 3 rings. And the only reason he doesn't have more is the aforementioned Lakers that stopped him.
But let's take your argument a step further: Since you think that Shaq is a top 3 player, than Tim Duncan should be right beneath him, since he bookmarked the Shaq Era with 2 Rings, and 2 Final MVPs.
Time will prove us right.
spurs hate shaq because he hates SA
and he hates sa for these reasons
1
he comes from SA therefore he woudl love to play for san antonio insted of magic and the lakers but since david was here he never got a chance to play here in sa
2
3
basicly shaq wishes he was the home town boy getting props but david rob has always out did him. that said to make pease with the earth i think we shoudl trade breent barry + rasho + tony parker to heat for shaq and let him play center here before he retires then the world will live in peace
Me not ranking Shaq as top 3 ever is hate, while ... what do you call yourself not ranking Chamberlain, Magic, Bird, Dr. J et al is called again?
I am not saying Shaq sucks, he is definitely top 20 all time, arguably top 10, a stretch at top 5, and just no way in top 3.
Just tell me why Shaq is top 3 of all time, like I posted earlier, 3 straight finals MVP alone is not enough.
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