Shawn Marion playoff predictor thread

[jag]

and most of those unassisted points were put backs and garbage points. let's see, a guy who only averages 12 points per game get's over 50% of his baskets inside assisted. 40% are unassisted, what's 40% of 12 points per game? that means he get's roughly 2 baskets per game that aren't assisted, and most of them are garbage points off putbacks (offensive boards), with the occassional ugly looking hook shot here and there. so like i said, shawn marion doesn't have a post game at all outside of a flukey looking hook shot every now and then, maybe once a game

Which part of this:

In actual post-up situations this season he's shot 50.3%. Other than dunks or layups, it's where he's been most effective this season. So, again, he's really not as bad as you might think.

is difficult for you to grasp?


I'll explain if for you like this...If all he has is his "flukey looking hook shot every now and then", it still happens to work 50.3% of the time and makes up the second largest percentage of where his points have come from this season. Second only to cuts to the basket. He generates more offense from posting up than he does from put-backs and transition baskets.

[jag]

he hit's it 50% of the time because the sample size is so small, he only shoots it once per game when he either get's the ball in great position or on a mismatch with a much smaller defender, both scenarios where it's more likely to go in. if he shot that very often (more than once a game) it sure wouldn't be 50%

i'm a maverick fan, i actually watch shawn marion play, and he sucks. is this difficult for you to grasp?

Is a season's worth of those busted hook shots going in 50% of the time not a large enough sample size? I'm not talking about one game where he took 2 shots and one went it.

He scores 12.5 points per game and post-up situations are the second greatest contributor to those points.

As a mav fan who watches the games, I kind of expected you to notice this.

[jag]

besides, you say besides dunks and layups, bootlegged jump hooks are his 2nd biggest source of points. but what exactly does he shoot besides dunks, layups, and bootlegged hook shots? just about nothing. dude has made a grand total of 5 three's all YEAR, and a whopping 3 last year. he rarely shoots anything besides those 3 shots.

Matt bonner shoots the three at about 50% but he only makes about 1.6 per game.

So i guess he's not really a very good three point shooter because his 3-pt shooting sample size is too small.

[ohmwrecker]

How many ppg will Dirk have to average for the Mavs to win this series? +/- 40?

[jag]

hitting almost 2 3 pointers per game is a lot different than being a low post "scorer" who only scores 1 per game from the low post. 2 3's per game ain't bad

Who called him a "low post scorer"?

[jag]

you. you said that he was a decent low post scorer.

Go ahead and quote me where i said he was a decent low post scorer.

[jag]

He shoots 50% from the low post. That's better than i originally thought.

Marion's post game isn't as bad as you'd think.

now I spy 2 dumbasses

Let's talk about it.

[jag]

oh, the semantics argument

"decent low post scorer" "marion's post game isn't as bad as u think, he's pretty effective!" same difference

you can argue all you want but you're flat out wrong about marion. dude is the most frustrating player to watch when he's on your team

Ok, so i never said it.

Is 50.3 percent not an effective percentage?

I'm not really sure how your emotional state when you watch him play has anything to do with how effective he's been this season while posting up.

[ffadicted]

My prediction is a first round exit lawl

[jag]

always ignoring half of the argument, going back and forth like a see saw

*****50% on only 1 attempt per game, and only whenever he catches the defense asleep (nobody expects shawn ing marion to score ) or whenever he is shooting over a much smaller defender.

that sure isn't "a better post game than anyone thought," it ing sucks. marions post game is a small step above nonexistent.

So Matt Bonner isn't a good three point shooter because he only makes 1.6 per game?

You're telling me Shawn marion would be a "good" post up player if he made .6 more post up shots per game?

What do you consider an effective field goal %?

[jag]

tbh i agree with this guy, we'll see how effective shawn marion's "post game" is in the playoffs

If it's anything like the regular season, he'll probably shoot about 50%. But considering he sucks in the POs, there's really no telling.

[jag]

low post scorers tend to shoot a lot more low post shots than 3 point shooters do 3 pointers. 1.6 three pointers per game actually isn't bad

but unassisted low post score per game? if marion had any sort of post game at all he would score from there more than once per game.

He only makes 5 shots a game. He's not a "scorer" anywhere on the floor with any type of shots.

But apparently he's pretty effective while posting up. Better than i thought, anyway.

[jag]

scoring a hook shot here and there once a game isn't really "effective" at all

if you want to argue that marion isn't any more re ed from the post than he is anywhere else, then i'll go for that

Well he shoots a higher percentage from posting up than he does from anywhere else on the floor. So i think my argument all along is that he's slightly less re ed from the post than anywhere else. Better than i thought.

[jag]

but still a ty ing player and non-threat from anywhere

and tbh low post still ain't his best, dude can make wide open dunks off feeds and that's it. he actually doesn't look re ed doing that. congrats to him

He's about a 50.3% threat while posting up.

[jag]

as long as he only sneaks in 1 per game over a smaller defender on a mismatch

So if he has a mismatch on a player who isn't as athletic, or as tall, he should probably take them down on the low block because his post-up game is better than we thought?

[jag]

50.3% isn't so bad

[ohmwrecker]

You guys are really committed to this irrelevant debate. I'm impressed . . .















. . . not really.

[resistanze]

All that matters.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Thead gets hijacked by two sucking spurs fans.
Lil s get back on your knees and finish smoking my pole..........YEAH!!

[z0sa]

All that matters.

@ NO upsetting LA in that hypothetical.

[Cuckolded Sissy]

Marion is going to get shut down by GWall and Cuban is going to look like an idiot for not trading Roddy and trash for him

[Kyle Orton]

Marion has a post game now?

[Kyle Orton]

I'm a dumbass for saying "Marion's post game isn't as bad as you'd think"?

2010-2011

Rim - 9ft FG% = 57.8%

Attempts/game (Rim - 9ft) = 7.8

Attempts/game %(Rim - 9ft) = 74.29%

This season Marion is averaging 12.5 ppg while shooting 52% from the field. From a range of 0-9 feet from the rim he is shooting 57.8%. 74.29% of all his shots come from a range of 0-9 feet from the rim.

His post game isn't as bad as you'd think.

OK, so because of the fastbreak points he gets and the hustle points he gets at the rim it means he has a good post game?

[Kyle Orton]

coming from the one never shutting the up about Roddy averaging 18ppg

im a roddy fan, but i never expected quite that much, and was NEVER a major supporter of him being a starter, always said hes best off the bench when he can create for himself and others, not having to play in a structured system with Kidd and Dirk getting 90% of the touches.

Bull ing you never expected that much, you said, in one post, Roddy has the jump shot of Steve Nash, the speed and finishing ability of Parker, and the athleticism of Derrick Rose.

Here comes classic stretch "I wasn't being serious when I made that really re ed homer comment".

[Kyle Orton]

So Matt Bonner isn't a good three point shooter because he only makes 1.6 per game?

You're telling me Shawn marion would be a "good" post up player if he made .6 more post up shots per game?

What do you consider an effective field goal %?

3 point shooting efficiency and post efficiency are two completely different things.