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    And don't tell me you don't like fireworks.

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    Well, since it's a one-time use of water, why not just put it off until the drought is over?
    Well what do you think would have been the benefit if they had stopped a few months ago?

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    do entary on HBO shows peoples water lighting on fire in some areas. Is taht scientific enough?

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    Well what do you think would have been the benefit if they had stopped a few months ago?
    What's the benefit of forbidding lawn watering or filling swimming pools?

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    Different set of cir stances CD. The lawn guy (SA) is in a federally regulated water district and doesn't have his own well.

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    And don't tell me you don't like fireworks.

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    do entary on HBO shows peoples water lighting on fire in some areas. Is taht scientific enough?
    TV show. Yup. That's in the bag.

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    I'm assuming you are refering to Gasland.

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    Tough .

    It's not like the gas is going anywhere.

    If other economic activity is affected by drought regulations, why not this?
    Fine. Let's start shutting down farming as well.
    And don't tell me you don't like cotton.

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    What's the benefit of forbidding lawn watering or filling swimming pools?
    Those activities haven't been forbidden.

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    Manny,

    Pitt is going to give it a fair to skewed towards energy shake... Pennzoil, Quaker State etc... It was the birthplace of american oil production... And still has plenty of heritage oil money I would assume...

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    Damn I didn't even think about that. I did feel that maybe it was presenting a rosier picture than normal but I somehow didn't associate it with the oil industry. In any event, its only one article but it still had good info from what I could tell. It was trying its best to look at pros and cons in an honest way.

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    As was disclosed in Manny's link, the 05 act was reworded for clarification. The act intended to regulate injection wells specific to disposal and waste management, which fracturing is not. This is an exclusion for clarfication as much as anything else. Nerfariousness is usually implied.
    ok.

    I'm still curious though, unless I'm missing something, hydraulic fracking does involve chemicals, correct?

    If that's true, why is it not regulated unless diesel fuel is involved?

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    ok.

    I'm still curious though, unless I'm missing something, hydraulic fracking does involve chemicals, correct?

    If that's true, why is it not regulated unless diesel fuel is involved?
    Yeah, it includeds a wide variety of chemicals. As to why it's not regulated, I believe the RCC handles that in Texas. Also, a bill was just passed in the last Tx legislative session requiring disclosure of chemicals used. I can't believe it, but Perry actually signed it. Go figure.

    http://www.energyboom.com/policy/tex...ng-legislation

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    No... I found it funny that a 1.1 million procedure sample size without incident in texas wasn't enough "proof".

    If that isn't, what is?

    Which is why I compared it to the Deistic question... where no "proof" is ever enough for either side.
    That would be quite enough data for me, if it were not coming from the PR rep of the group that stands to make the most money off the continuing practice.

    If there is some more objective data backing to it up, then fine, but in that context does it not make sense to be somewhat hesitant to accept it on its face?

    I am not asking for proof of God here.

    "Fracking is safe, and doesn't pollute scarce groundwater." is a very limited, measurable thing to study.

    To charactorize it as akin to asking for proof of God is not honest, nor helpful.

    If it can be objectively shown that decades of the practice have yielded no measurable damage to groundwater, then I would fine to let the status quo be.

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    do entary on HBO shows peoples water lighting on fire in some areas. Is taht scientific enough?
    That is one of the concerns.

    Fracking also seems to produce a lot of methane as a by product.

    I would not find it implausible that fracking caused some shift in an underground formation and released methane that sifted up through cracks into an underground aquafer.

    That would explain the sudden burning tapwater.

    A couple isolated cases in a very widespread practice does not indicate a massive problem, just one that merits some more study.

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    propublica has a series of articles, including loopholes in state rules (we can assume all state regulators are owned/corrupted by corporations, is how the loopholes are there).

    http://www.propublica.org/series/bur...nmental-threat

    Also, it appears that the gasco's are, with the help of the SEC rulings, inflating their gas reserves, which, surprise!, inflates their stock prices.

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    Yes, we can all assume all the regulators are guilty too! It's easier than thinking! Yay progressives!

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    Yes, we can all assume all the regulators are guilty too! It's easier than thinking! Yay progressives!
    Yes, boutons is representative of "progressives".

    I guess we can assume that, because it is easier than thinking.

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    Yes, boutons is representative of "progressives".

    I guess we can assume that, because it is easier than thinking.
    Every third word I've posted today should be blued.

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    Different set of cir stances CD. The lawn guy (SA) is in a federally regulated water district and doesn't have his own well.
    Gee, nobody else can be federally regulated?

    Those activities haven't been forbidden.
    They are provisions in water use restrictions. Why have them?

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    Fine. Let's start shutting down farming as well.
    And don't tell me you don't like cotton.
    Farmers are already paid not to farm.

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    Some farmer's, at least those that can still reach the water, on the Ogalalla aquifer make more money selling water than growing crops.

    How Bad Is the Ogallala Aquifer's Decline in Texas?

    Texans are probably pumping the Ogallala at about six times the rate of recharge.

    Rapid depletion of the aquifer has been going on since the 1950s, as new pumping technologies became available and memories of the Dust Bowl lingered. But growing awareness of water constraints has prompted new policy approaches. By Sept. 1, owing to a 2005 law, regional groundwater management groups across the state must declare their how they want their groundwater resources to look 50 years from now and plan accordingly.

    http://www.texastribune.org/texas-en...line-in-texas/

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    Farmers are already paid not to farm.
    Excellent. lets pay other producers not to produce then. A solid extension of logic, no?

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