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True...Brees is a load better than either of these guys..just making the obvious point that Rivers is a MUCH better QB than Manning.WE ALREADY ING HAD DREW ING BREES!!!
the Rivers/Manning argument is invalid, Charger fans lost either way
WE ALREADY ING HAD DREW ING BREES!!!
the Rivers/Manning argument is invalid, Charger fans lost either way
True...Brees is a load better than either of these guys..just making the obvious point that Rivers is a MUCH better QB than Manning.WE ALREADY ING HAD DREW ING BREES!!!
the Rivers/Manning argument is invalid, Charger fans lost either way
This muh a's GOTTA be kidding
Eli Manning: I'm in class with Tom Brady
Eli Manning is a top-caliber quarterback. Well, at least he says he is.
Giants QB Eli Manning joins "The Michael Kay Show" about the offensive struggles in the preseason game, cutting down the turnovers this year and where he feel he ranks among the best QB's in the league.
The New York Giants quarterback, who does have a Super Bowl MVP award to his name, said on "The Michael Kay Show" on ESPN New York 1050 on Tuesday that he considers himself to be a top quarterback who belongs in the same class as New England's Tom Brady.
"I consider myself in that class and Tom Brady is a great quarterback, he's a great player and what you've seen with him is he's gotten better every year and he started off winning championships and I think he's a better quarterback now than what he was, in all honesty, when he was winning those championships," Manning said Tuesday. "It's funny, you say well he won championships, but the team, but I think know he's grown up and gotten better every year and that's what I'm trying to do. I kind of hope these next seven years of my quarterback days are my best."
While Manning is regarded as a very good quarterback by most, as he's led the Giants to the playoffs in four of his seven seasons as the full-time starter, there is usually a hesitation to place him among the elite in the game. While Manning was fifth in the league in passing yards with 4,002 yards and fourth in touchdowns with 31 scores last season, his 25 interceptions are the number that jumps out the most.
He did say he didn't feel that too many of his interceptions last year were caused by bad decisions.
When explaining why he feels he's an elite quarterback, Manning said the Giants have an offense that puts him in a good situation and with their stingy run game, it opens the play action, which is a facet of the game that he performs well in. He recalled just one interception on play action and said he's good with the ball on those situations.
"I'm not a 25-interception quarterback, I know that," Manning said. "That's going to be fixed and it should be a good year."
It could be a challenge for Manning to live up to his claim this year, as the Giants swung and missed on their receiving targets this offseason.
Two of Manning's former safety valves, tight end Kevin Boss and wide receiver Steve Smith, have signed with new teams, with Boss heading to Oakland and Smith signing with NFC East rival Philadelphia. It's still unknown who will be the Giants' No. 3 receiver at this point.
The Giants also watched Super Bowl hero Plaxico Burress spurn them to sign with the New York Jets, despite Burress coming to the Giants facility and meeting with former players, organizational members and coach Tom Coughlin. During Burress' brief stay in New York, however, he and Manning never met and Manning said he was busy preparing.
While the two worked well together on the field in their nearly four seasons together, highlighted by their Super Bowl le in 2007, Manning also failed to visit Burress while he was in jail and the quarterback did not have a reason Tuesday for why he didn't. He said he called Burress once he got out of jail, but didn't want to have it be a big deal if he visited Burress.
Manning said Tuesday that he was indecisive on some parts on whether he wanted to reunite with the talented, 6-foot-5 receiver, without saying yes or no as to whether he wanted Burress back. He also reiterated why he didn't publicly lobby for Burress to rejoin the Giants.
"I didn't want to put my owners in a spot, I didn't want to put my other teammates in a spot saying that I thought we needed him because then all of a sudden it would be in the papers that Eli didn't think his receivers were good enough or something like that," Manning said. "It's not my job to go out there and promote for somebody. I'm trying to get better and if they want to bring him in, great, and we'll get back to work and see how we can get better. I didn't know what the cir stances were. It wasn't going to be a case of me going after it and make a decision whether Plaxico is coming to the Giants. It was going to be some other factors."
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...iots-tom-brady
This muh a's GOTTA be kidding
Eli Manning: I'm in class with Tom Brady
Eli Manning is a top-caliber quarterback. Well, at least he says he is.
Giants QB Eli Manning joins "The Michael Kay Show" about the offensive struggles in the preseason game, cutting down the turnovers this year and where he feel he ranks among the best QB's in the league.
The New York Giants quarterback, who does have a Super Bowl MVP award to his name, said on "The Michael Kay Show" on ESPN New York 1050 on Tuesday that he considers himself to be a top quarterback who belongs in the same class as New England's Tom Brady.
"I consider myself in that class and Tom Brady is a great quarterback, he's a great player and what you've seen with him is he's gotten better every year and he started off winning championships and I think he's a better quarterback now than what he was, in all honesty, when he was winning those championships," Manning said Tuesday. "It's funny, you say well he won championships, but the team, but I think know he's grown up and gotten better every year and that's what I'm trying to do. I kind of hope these next seven years of my quarterback days are my best."
While Manning is regarded as a very good quarterback by most, as he's led the Giants to the playoffs in four of his seven seasons as the full-time starter, there is usually a hesitation to place him among the elite in the game. While Manning was fifth in the league in passing yards with 4,002 yards and fourth in touchdowns with 31 scores last season, his 25 interceptions are the number that jumps out the most.
He did say he didn't feel that too many of his interceptions last year were caused by bad decisions.
When explaining why he feels he's an elite quarterback, Manning said the Giants have an offense that puts him in a good situation and with their stingy run game, it opens the play action, which is a facet of the game that he performs well in. He recalled just one interception on play action and said he's good with the ball on those situations.
"I'm not a 25-interception quarterback, I know that," Manning said. "That's going to be fixed and it should be a good year."
It could be a challenge for Manning to live up to his claim this year, as the Giants swung and missed on their receiving targets this offseason.
Two of Manning's former safety valves, tight end Kevin Boss and wide receiver Steve Smith, have signed with new teams, with Boss heading to Oakland and Smith signing with NFC East rival Philadelphia. It's still unknown who will be the Giants' No. 3 receiver at this point.
The Giants also watched Super Bowl hero Plaxico Burress spurn them to sign with the New York Jets, despite Burress coming to the Giants facility and meeting with former players, organizational members and coach Tom Coughlin. During Burress' brief stay in New York, however, he and Manning never met and Manning said he was busy preparing.
While the two worked well together on the field in their nearly four seasons together, highlighted by their Super Bowl le in 2007, Manning also failed to visit Burress while he was in jail and the quarterback did not have a reason Tuesday for why he didn't. He said he called Burress once he got out of jail, but didn't want to have it be a big deal if he visited Burress.
Manning said Tuesday that he was indecisive on some parts on whether he wanted to reunite with the talented, 6-foot-5 receiver, without saying yes or no as to whether he wanted Burress back. He also reiterated why he didn't publicly lobby for Burress to rejoin the Giants.
"I didn't want to put my owners in a spot, I didn't want to put my other teammates in a spot saying that I thought we needed him because then all of a sudden it would be in the papers that Eli didn't think his receivers were good enough or something like that," Manning said. "It's not my job to go out there and promote for somebody. I'm trying to get better and if they want to bring him in, great, and we'll get back to work and see how we can get better. I didn't know what the cir stances were. It wasn't going to be a case of me going after it and make a decision whether Plaxico is coming to the Giants. It was going to be some other factors."
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...iots-tom-brady
I am on cloud 9. HOLY ! Eli is motivated to be in that class. He is already the 3rd best quarterback in the NFL behind Brady and his brother. I am now dying for this season to start. Eli is going to have an MVP career year.
thinking motivation will eliminate complete suckiness.
Eli just said he is in Brady's class. Those words are going to turn his season into an MVP one. If I were to start a team and Peyton/Brady were taken, give me Eli. Eli also did outshine Brady in the superbowl.
A little late but a great read...
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post...dential-giants
Camp Confidential: Giants
By Dan Graziano
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- It's funny to say this about a team that plays where they play, but the New York Giants like it when nobody notices them. They like being forgotten, underestimated, treated as an afterthought. They're OK with the Jets getting all the back-page-tabloid attention and the Eagles being the big offseason story because of their free-agent shopping spree. The Giants believe in their own way of doing things, and if that means lying in the weeds while people on the outside are distracted by other teams that are hot at the moment, that's fine with them.
Camp Confidential: NFC East
"We believe in our organization, and we believe in our coaches," said ninth-year offensive lineman David Diehl, who has moved from left tackle to left guard as part of the Giants' offensive line shuffle. "We're not running around doing the free-agency fiasco and all that stuff. Yeah, you hope that, if an opportunity arises, you bring in guys that fit holes. But at the same time, we've got guys that have been here, guys that are a part of this team, guys who know the system."
That's why, even though they lost tight end Kevin Boss and receiver Steve Smith in free agency and didn't sign new guys the way the Eagles did, the Giants say they're not worried. They have a different way of doing things here. They build through the draft and groom their own players to replace the ones who leave. And they have a few guys they think can fill the holes created by their cuts and free-agent defections. It remains to be seen whether they're right, of course, but the vibe at Giants training camp is clear: Go ahead, underestimate us. We'll see how it turns out in the end.
THREE HOT ISSUES The Giants will have a revamped offensive line that includes William Beatty, left, at left tackle.
1. The new offensive line. When they cut longtime center Shaun O'Hara and guard Rich Seubert on the first day of free agency, the Giants signaled a decision to change an aspect of their team that hadn't changed much over the past six or seven years. They signed free-agent center David Baas from San Francisco, moved Diehl inside, and gave the starting left tackle job to 2009 second-round draft pick William Beatty. So there are questions that must be answered about how quickly the newly configured group can jell, how smooth the relationship between Baas and quarterback Eli Manning will be and, perhaps most importantly, whether Beatty in his third NFL season is ready for the responsibility of protecting Manning's blind side.
"In the case of William Beatty, it's time," Giants coach Tom Coughlin said. "We've had him here. He's talented. He's had an opportunity to learn. He's practiced against some of the best. We've had some defensive ends around here that can play. So it's time. It's his turn."
Beatty started four games in his rookie season and two last season as he was being groomed for this opportunity. He's perhaps the best example of the Giants' belief in their ability to groom their own replacements for departing veterans rather than having to hit the free-agent market to do so. Now, he must prove that their faith in him was justified.
2. Can Osi Umenyiora be happy? Upset about his contract, the Giants' star defensive end has sat out practice and demanded that the team rework his deal or trade him to a team that will. Neither of those things appears likely to happen, though the Giants have offered an olive branch in the form of some 2011 incentives depending on the number of sacks Umenyiora gets this year. He had his knee checked out last week and there's a sense he could return to practice Monday. The way Jason Pierre-Paul played in Saturday night's preseason opener only helped the Giants' leverage in this situation. They believe Pierre-Paul, their 2010 first-round pick, can be a capable replacement for Umenyiora at the defensive end spot opposite Justin Tuck. Of course, if Umenyiora wants to come back and play, they'll be thrilled to be able to rotate three such weapons at the defensive end spots. It would also enable them to put Mathias Kiwanuka at linebacker and leave him there.
3. Manning's safety valves. As the Giants' passing game evolved over the past couple of seasons, Manning relied heavily on Smith and Boss as targets when things broke down. Both are gone. The Giants hope that 2009 third-round pick Travis Beckum is ready to replace Boss. Beckum is a good receiver, but he doesn't have Boss' size or blocking ability. And they're trying everyone from Mario Manningham to Domenik Hixon to Victor Cruz in Smith's old slot-receiver role in the hopes that someone can play the position the way Smith did. Top receiver Hakeem Nicks appears poised to have another big year, and the Giants can use Manningham on the outside as they did last season. But Manning is justifiably concerned about who will be there for him when a play inevitably breaks down, and tight end and slot receiver are positions that need to be sorted out before camp ends.
"When we've gotten in trouble in the past, we always had Steve in the slot, and that's kind of all we worked on -- Steve's in the slot, there you go, he's got it down," Manning said. "And so last year, when he got hurt, we were in trouble. No one else really knew how to play it. So this year we're putting everybody -- Hakeem is in there, Manningham's getting in here, we're getting a lot of people in there to get them to learn some of it, so that'll probably create some more opportunities for us to move guys around and get some mismatches."
MAN IN THE MIDDLE
Linebacker has been a weak spot for the Giants the past couple of years. Unable to add outside free agents because of cap concerns, they'll address it by moving Kiwanuka there for first and second downs. But much will still fall on the shoulders of Jonathan Goff, who enters his second season as starter at middle linebacker in the Giants' 4-3 defense. "I'll have better composure this year," Goff said. "Last year, being my first year, was a little bit of a learning experience for me. This year, I think we're all on the same page to move forward as a defense and get better. It's just natural now." Goff is responsible for communicating the calls from the sidelines and for making any front-seven checks. (The coverage checks are the responsibility of the safeties.) He knows he'll need to take a stronger on-field leadership role for the defense to play more consistently this season.
AN 'EXPLOSIVE' PHILLIPS
Two years ago, Kenny Phillips was on the verge of breaking out as one of the top safeties in the NFL. But he lost his 2009 season to a left knee injury, spent the 2009-10 offseason rehabbing the knee and wasn't the same player when he returned in 2010. This year, Phillips said, he was able to condition himself the way he normally would for a season, rather than have to rehab, and believes it has made a huge difference. "Just being more explosive," Phillips said. "Last year, just seeing the field, it was kind of difficult at times, because I'd been away from the game, to be able to break on the ball -- to actually see it and then be able to get to it. But this year, now, everything is just fluid. My technique and everything is sound. I just feel good about everything this year." Phillips said he learned a lot last season playing and working with veteran safety Deon Grant (who remains an unsigned free agent), and that, with his physical ability fully restored, he believes he'll be a better player.
OBSERVATION DECK
Hixon could be a very important player for the Giants if he's recovered from his knee injury. He showed ability to play that slot receiver position when he was healthy, and will get a chance to show it again, though it seems clear the Giants would like to have multiple options there in case something goes wrong.
Linval Joseph, the 2010 second-round pick, would seem to have the playing-time edge at defensive tackle over 2011 second-round pick Marvin Austin. But each brings impressive size and agility to the position, and between them the Giants should be able to capably replace Barry Cofield, who signed with Washington.
The starting secondary of Phillips, Antrel Rolle, Terrell Thomas and Corey Webster looks excellent in practice. The question is whether there's enough depth behind those guys if there's an injury. Cornerbacks Michael Coe and Brian Witherspoon and safety Tyler Sash have a chance to earn playing time with Prince Amukamara hurt and Grant not re-signed. Witherspoon has been impressive on special teams and looked good in Saturday's game. Sash appears to be very athletic, but he needs to play with more discipline.
Kiwanuka at linebacker is a work in progress. No question he has the ability to play it, but he overpursued Saturday at times the way a defensive end might.
Even before he left Saturday's preseason game with a thigh injury, kicker Lawrence Tynes looked as though he might be cause for concern. Having missed a few practices as he recovers from knee surgery, Tynes was unable to boot kickoffs out of the back of the end zone the way it seems every other kicker in the league has so far this preseason. And he missed a couple of field goals (though the first was a 56-yarder he shouldn't have been asked to try). Worth keeping an eye on to see how he looks the rest of August.
As for punters, Matt Dodge has looked better than he did in his difficult rookie season, but it's going to be tough for him to beat out Steve Weatherford, who's just better at the job.
DeSean Jackson said he's the best receiver and punt returner in the NFL..guess that's true too, right? Cuz anytime anybody says something, it must be true...
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if your dumb ass took Eli, tbh.
Manning wins that one. Romo was a for putting a piece of average ass in front of his team.
Timmy is an amusing troll. He sure has 90210 reeled in, but of course that's not difficult.
sheeit..Romo's been a for a while..I know this...just saying he's better, that's all. And hoping for a better season this year.
Saying Eli is better than Romo is highly debatable. It's pretty even if you ask me. They are both pretty average.sheeit..Romo's been a for a while..I know this...just saying he's better, that's all. And hoping for a better season this year.
I'd agree...I think Romo's better, tbh..but yeah..up to date, they've both been average. Romo destroys him in the regular season, but then s up in the playoffs, pissing off all us Cowboys faithful...but what can you do? If it's your team, it's your ing team.
That was the gayest ing argument. I try to discuss the game with you and you come up with ing got like that.
Wtf did you want? Stats? Sorry, I'm not Deuce Bigalow...tbh, Romo is an average QB...Manning is an average QB...Romo has more talent, less focus. If he got his head out of his ass, he'd be a really good QB, imo.
If it's your team, it's your ing team.
what I mean is, you cheer for your team, even if they're sucking...especially if you grew up on them.
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