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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    Is this bit delicious and yummy also RG?
    I think so!

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    Ed Schultz reminds me of Francis Buxton. only angrier.

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    Are medical leaves monitored by the government now?




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    Gold. Stewart's been nailing it down of late.
    It appears he does, but not really.

    Most corporations have had maternity for years now. Just not as a paid benefit, but to use your own accrued vacation time.

    Why is she a hypocrite for using an employer provided benefit? I agree it is wrong for the government to require such things, especially if it is a paid benefit. I don't see how her view differs from that. Now to require all places adopt a voluntary benefit other places has is changing it to an en lement.

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    It appears he does, but not really.

    Most corporations have had maternity for years now. Just not as a paid benefit, but to use your own accrued vacation time.

    Why is she a hypocrite for using an employer provided benefit? I agree it is wrong for the government to require such things, especially if it is a paid benefit. I don't see how her view differs from that. Now to require all places adopt a voluntary benefit other places has is changing it to an en lement.
    You didn't really watch the clip, did you?

    She started going on about the benefits of the Family Leave Act.

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    You didn't really watch the clip, did you?

    She started going on about the benefits of the Family Leave Act.
    I did, what did I miss? As far as I know, the act does not require employers to pay for the absence. It's been around for some time now too.

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    Do you guys give each other points for each display of ignorance?

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    Do you guys give each other points for each display of ignorance?
    You and random can have those points today.

    I didn't see anything hypocritical. She is not asking for an en lement of paid leave. The FMLA act requires large employer to provide unpaid leave for having a newborn, and other instances.

    Be the ignorant one, and let those telling the story frame it for you.

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    Question. Wouldn't FMLA be considered more of a civil right action as opposed to an "en lement"?

    And no one has answered my other question.

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    You and random can have those points today.

    I didn't see anything hypocritical. She is not asking for an en lement of paid leave. The FMLA act requires large employer to provide unpaid leave for having a newborn, and other instances.

    Be the ignorant one, and let those telling the story frame it for you.
    So she can just leave when she s out a kid and get her job back when she comes back?

    Why should an employer be forced to put up with that?

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    So she can just leave when she s out a kid and get her job back when she comes back?

    Why should an employer be forced to put up with that?
    Are you even serious or just maintaining your "?" quota? I dare you to say that in a room full of women.

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    Are you even serious or just maintaining your "?" quota? I dare you to say that in a room full of women.
    Even conservative ones!

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    Question. Wouldn't FMLA be considered more of a civil right action as opposed to an "en lement"?

    And no one has answered my other question.
    I don't know what to consider it. I think the requirement to have some is necessary, I think the mandatory time frame is excessive though.
    Does the government lose anything on account of medical leaves?
    Depends on if it's paid leave or not.
    Do tax payers have their pay taxed in order to make these medical leaves possible?
    Don't know. Are any of them paid leaves outside of using accrued vacation days?
    I have noticed some people here think they are.

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    So she can just leave when she s out a kid and get her job back when she comes back?

    Why should an employer be forced to put up with that?
    It's only larger employers. It's not mandated on business that cannot deal with such transitions.

    Now I agree this shouldn't be necessary. All good employers I have worked for gave their employees good benefits as incentives to work for them, instead of someone else. Still, with a baby, there are instances when the mother must take time off. To make it legally fair, they had to extend that to the father too.

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    My wife just had to file for federal FMLA under the self-health provision (state FMLA statutes normally only cover pregnancy and relative-health, not self-health).

    Wages are not covered, but the employer has to keep contributing to the health coverage and has to reinstate the employee at the end of the LOA.

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    My wife just had to file for federal FMLA under the self-health provision (state FMLA statutes normally only cover pregnancy and relative-health, not self-health).

    Wages are not covered, but the employer has to keep contributing to the health coverage and has to reinstate the employee at the end of the LOA.
    Yes, so one could say the employer pays, but they pay this anyway when paid or unpaid leave is granted for other reasons. The difference is that this is a leave the employer cannot refuse.

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    I did, what did I miss? As far as I know, the act does not require employers to pay for the absence. It's been around for some time now too.
    , you still haven't watched it have you?

    She went out and railed against the Family Leave Act a few years ago, then has a kid and gets all militant in support of it.

    Don't me by trying to say that if I had asked you about the Family Leave Act before this you would not have pegged it as a gub'mint handout.

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    , you still haven't watched it have you?

    She went out and railed against the Family Leave Act a few years ago, then has a kid and gets all militant in support of it.
    Not by the link I saw. That was a bunch of edited stuff. I don;'t know what was snipped together.
    Don't me by trying to say that if I had asked you about the Family Leave Act before this you would not have pegged it as a gub'mint handout.
    It isn't a handout.

    Why would I? I was aware of this more than a decade ago. Now I don't agree entirely with it, but at least women should have their jobs protected in most cases when the employer is large enough that it doesn't really have an impact. I disagree with all cases, but most, yes.

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    As one of the few in this thread to have given birth, I think the leave for maternity is excessive. Six weeks to recover physically and return to your job in due diligence is enough. If you want to stay out longer to bond with your child-- like I did-- quit your job and stay at home. No one should have to hold your job while you take optional time off for which you have no saved leave. Men should have to use saved leave to take time off, as well. Why should you get extra paid time off because you chose to have a kid. Save up your vacation for when it is born or take time off without pay.

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