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barry was useful against phoenix because the suns think perimeter defense is only something you play against....
TwoHandJam calls me out but then the ultimate Barry supporter backs me up.
Classic.
I didn't back you on saying he was heartless choker or scared to shoot...I backed you up on saying that he is sometimes an overly selective shooter...there's is a difference between deferring too much in the spirit of team play...and being a Hedo.
TwoHandJam agreed with both you and I on that point....Neither THJ or I think he is a choker...that's sets us apart from you.
I cannot adequately explain the total "wrong" that is being done to Barry when you guys stick that label on him...He's been arguably the clutchest player on our team this season...not the most heartless.
IT's just wrong...TimVP.
IT's like me saying AJ couldn't hit a layup to save his life...
barry was useful against phoenix because the suns think perimeter defense is only something you play against....
Translation: I am under 25 and AJ is a like a comic book hero to me.
I was a season ticketholder during the AJ years...I know how he played. I used to want to kick his ass after games. We had a ing guy that could to the basket on anyone...what we didn't have was guys that were respected enough to keep people off of him.
And the unforgivable thing about it...
AJ never bothered to really try and improve his shot other than getting it to a range of about 14 feet...and it was something the team desperately needed him to do to make things easier on David...
I am not saying he had to turn into Steve Kerr...but he had to at least turn into a threat...becasue the sometimes the layups just aren't there. Usually they aren't when Drob's got 5 ing Jazz on him...
Mario Elie had a worse shot than AJ did...Rudy told him to work on his shot...he turned himself into one of the clutchest 3 shooters I have ever seen...he never shot at a great PCT...but he hit the ones that stopped runs and broke the spirit of other teams...
Why couldn't AJ do that? Why didn't AJ do that? Just turn himself into a threat? Because he thought he was the total ...that's why.
lame argument. avery johnson is the type of player who kids today do not gravitate to.
unfortunately for you i saw plenty of avery johnson during the 90s and definitely understand what he brought to the team. while your boy david was banging around on the keyboard or cutting a riff on his sax avery was ing leading that team and molding it into a team with one purpose and one purpose only and that was a nba championship.
dont hurt yourself when you stretch man.
Whottt is in love with the three-point shot. Heal, Barry, Kerr, etc.
He's like the baseball fan who only cares how many home runs his favorite player has. And why the doesn't Otis Nixon hit more homers? They should trade his scrub ass for Rob Deer.
Yeah.
BTW...That baseball analogy sucked. I would take a high hit guy over a high BB guy though...
Oh...
RIP The Spurs need a shooter.........every offseason for the last 20 years...or not.
If outside shooting doesn't matter then why are you guys ripping Barry?
because that is supposedly his strength. duh.
But outside shooting doesn't matter...
Free Pass Kitten.
Haven't you been reading?
simply because Brent doesn't shoot enough,
doesn't shoot his wide-open shots.
I'd like to see him try some more slashing and driving, he's damn fast, and he drives through the basket unlike Tony's stop-and-2-flat-foot jump-shot "finish".
bingo. what matters is playing good defense, taking care of the rock, and taking the shot when it is there, be it a 10 footer or a 23 footer. it also means going strong to the hole when the opportunity presents itself.
barry has been deficient in that regard in this playoffs and his outside shooting has sucked.
what part of that do you not understand you ing blowhard?
And what's AJ's excuse?
Nazr Mohammed has as many 3 pointers in these playoffs as AJ made in his entire playoff career.
Hypochrites.
the problem for you is that avery did everything else exceptionally well, especially for his position, whereas barry has done nothing else well in this playoffs, including what is supposedly his strength.
i mean, how the do you play 22 minutes and not scratch a boxscore?
That's not AJ.
I'll give him that.taking care of the rock,
Won't give him that.and taking the shot when it is there, be it a 10 footer or a 23 footer.
But never with the game on the line...and never being willing to draw enough contact to get to the FT line as much a guy whose game was based on penetration should.it also means going strong to the hole when the opportunity presents itself.
The part where it is integral for every perimeter guy on this team to have the threat of an outside shot, but it wasn't for Avery Johnson...and how you fools don't think that was problem during the Drob era...barry has been deficient in that regard in this series and his outside shooting has sucked.
what part of that do you not understand you ing blowhard?
But then again...I think I even understand that now.. <25
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AJ wasn't a great defender...He wasn't a tough interior player...the problem for you is that avery did everything else exceptionally well, especially for his position, whereas barry has done nothing else well in this playoffs, including what is supposedly his strength.
i mean, how the do you play 22 minutes and not scratch a boxscore?
He was good at passing to a guy that won a scoring le without him and getting layups(early in the game) off one of his teamates drawing mutiple defenders because he is being dared to shoot.
Derek Fisher punked AJ...AJ got punked a by rookie 10 years ago in the biggest game in Spurs history.
there weren't any problems with avery's defense, especially when viewed in the same light as the defensive wonder that is bones barry.
avery was one of the best when it came to shot selection and he certainly was never shy about taking it to the hole. do you not recall his floaters in the lane off drives? wtf mr. season ticket holder?
lest we forget that avery was the leader of those teams while brent barry gives funny interviews...
fisher wasn't in the league 10 years ago.
if you want to recall avery in the playoffs mr. season ticket holder then you surely remember the 1998 series versus the suns and kidd/kj/nash. he took all comers on in that series and smoked them.
try again.
I think he meant Sam Cassell. Took me a while to figure it out.
of course saint david cant be held accountable for being undressed by hakeem in that series...
*whottt furiously hammers out a 10 pager*
Wake me up when Barry gives up 35 points to a back up rookie or lets a scrub set a conference finals record against him in 3pt %.
John Stockton used to AJ so many times per game he'd go through box of codoms by halftime.
AJ was good at scooting to the basket until they clogged the paint and then he was next to useless...they'd dare him to shoot and he wouldn't. I mean legitimately dare him to shoot give him plenty of space....he wouldn't.avery was one of the best when it came to shot selection and he certainly was never shy about taking it to the hole. do you not recall his floaters in the lane off drives?
Ok you guys think Brent Barry is passing up a ton of open shots...
Now I hate to tell you guys this...but other teams didn't care that AJ wasn't a good shooter...they didn't consider it against the rules to dare him to shoot...
Whether you like it or not...they did dare him to shoot...
You guys honestly think AJ was only left open at the perimeter in his 100+ playoff games 26 times?
And you think Brent Barry is open out there all game long?
Sorry but you guys don't know what the you are talking about. Period.
en homers.
Barry needs exactly 5 more threes to have made as many 3's in this post season as AJ took in a 19 year career..
Many of those years spent with two of the best bigmen to ever step foot on the basketball court...
Some day when you guys want to become smarter...go look at the PCT's of Duncan(after) and Robinson(before) without AJ as opposed to with him...then tell me he wasn't a huge liability.
Hint: Drob averaged shooting about 60% in the post season until AJ became his PG...he then turned into a "soft" sub 50% shooter once he got the little hardass to lead his team to some of the most embarassing asskickings in Conference Finals history...you figure it out.
fortunately the spurs dont have to be stuck with barry out on the court when he's sucking, especially thanks to the return of devin brown. man, to lose substantial minutes to a guy without your name and pedigree and with a bad back has to suck.
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