Texas to Pac 12

[Blake]

That 08 conclusion was controversial, though.

k, just take the two top records and use BCS ranking for tie breakers or go with a 4th wild card team.

In two 10 team conference, by the time you play all the teams in your division and maybe a couple on the other side, you would never have any OOC games.

[Blake]

Like I said, I mentioned them as a team that would make sense for their ideals.



Pac insider who broke news on these meetings and parameters over a week ago. The insider is well-respected with ties to the LA schools and is a booster of Arizona.

He said Scott's ideal wasn't just for football, but wanted to expand the conference's overall prestige and brand. Adding a top-flight academic ins ution and baseball program in Rice brings a lot, plus the in with the Houston market, and adding a blue blood in Kansas to join UCLA, Arizona and Texas gives the Pac 4-top-20 schools year in, year out. The hope was the Pac could leverage need into getting Oklahoma without State and Texas without Tech, but obviously politics has won out. My guess is this talk of 18/20 teams is specifically to add these two schools. Chances are some of the same politics could require Kansas to bring State with them, at which point to add Rice, a fourth additional team is needed, enter a lesser-religious TCU (although not sure this works) or, and this is me talking, maybe Missouri if the religious affiliation of TCU is deemed to much to look past. Missouri brings quality academics, and good programs, plus an untapped market.

lol at people running with insider rumors.

all I found is some blogger from mercurynews.com throwing out a Pac20 scenario with Rice (and without Boise St).

Pretty crazy and rather stupid, imo.

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im not a fan of a 20 team conference. the idea of a 16 team conference seems rather loaded even, but doable. 20 is just excessive.

[DesignatedT]

For one thing, the Longhorn Network would have to be folded into the Pac-12 regional model — it wouldn’t exist as a separate en y.

What’s more, there is no chance that any school will have more than 1/16th of the revenue that comes from the conference’s first, second or third-tier rights. NO CHANCE.

We’re more likely to see USC give up football and join the Big West.

Remember, the Pac-12 CEOs would like to have Texas, but they are not desperate to have Texas.

They have all the leverage.

Source: Pac-12 and Texas "nowhere near agreement." Numerous hurdles ahead.

Source: Pac-12 has Missouri on its radar.

** Yes, yes, 100 times yes: The Pac-12 would add the Oklahoma schools and become a 14-team conference even if Texas follows a different path.

And if the number is 14, there’s a very good chance the conference would use the Zipper model for division alignment (i.e., split the natural rivals).

The league will not — I repeat: will not — pair USC and Oklahoma in the same division.

yahoo_Graham Graham Watson
Hearing the Pac-12 wouldn't have the nine member votes to let Texas in right now. Not sure who else besides Colorado is against it.
17 minutes ago

hilarious if true

[vander]

so no one wants BSU?

we have a good wrestling program too

both BSU and the treasure valley are growing. the academics, prestige, and profitability of BSU will continue to rise over the next decade, while most other "major universities" will stagnate or even recede.



if CFB becomes 4 super-conferences and they give the BCS the boot, how will the outsiders ever get piece? terrible programs like WSU, Indiana, etc. etc. will be raking in the conference football money year after year, while BSU starves to death on the outside.

BCS gave hope (and money) to teams on the rise. super-conferences will destroy that, it will be the haves and the have-nots, and it will destroy my interest in college football, along with many others. the BCS and the open landscape of college football is what made it so insanely interesting.

[Blake]

hilarious if true

is A&M in the SEC yet?

[Blake]

BCS gave hope (and money) to teams on the rise. super-conferences will destroy that, it will be the haves and the have-nots, and it will destroy my interest in college football, along with many others. the BCS and the open landscape of college football is what made it so insanely interesting.

bs, imo.

4 super conferences with a playoff system would make college football more popular than ever.

[JMarkJohns]

Blake, I know what I am talking about. Everything I've said would happen one week ago is now happening with the Pac, and the fact other bloggers are now discussing what the Pac Insider was saying a week ago shows the info is trickling through the ranks.

I am a moderator for the premium boards at Scout.com and Rivals.com and am comped their best subscription packages for the information I bring to premium boards. I, too, am an Arizona Insider, as DoK has attested to on multiple occasions. I told DoK one week ago all this was going down within short order based upon other Insider info. Said what the ideal was, and what would happen if it couldn't be had.

I don't post privy Insider info in public, so few know the extent of my info, but IceColdBrewski was another I shared information with.

I'm certainly not always right, and I've jumped the gun on some info, but if I am saying Rice was amongst Scott's ideals for Pac-16 expansion, it comes from quality information, because I don't quote anybody, and I hate being wrong/looking stupid.

Anyways, this thread isn't about me, my contacts or my information, because those who care know I don't spout BS. , I think I was the first on this forum to say it was for sure going to be pods, and that they and the other soon-to-exist 16-team conferences will be pe ioning the NCAA for it to be allowed.

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bs, imo.

4 super conferences with a playoff system would make college football more popular than ever.

this would be just amazing.

get rid of the ranking system

have the regular season to determine seedings within the conference

8 best teams in each conference duke it out to win the conference, seeding plays each other just like in NBA

4 conference winners have a playoff, reseeded as 1-4 to determine opponent, again NBA style (1 plays 4, 2 plays 3)

or if they want to keep the ranking system, the ranked teams in each conference get the top seeds in their conferences, and then the unranked get seeding based on record

and for the 4 conference winners, they have the official national championship game for the winners of the two games (battling for end-season #1/#2 ranking), and a losers game (to determine who gets ranked #3 and #4 in the final polls).


there are currently 34 bowl games. doing the playoff system with the "losers" championship game would result in 34 playoff games, and shouldnt cause any issue with losing revenue. difference is, this method is exponentially more exciting, and would eliminate the bull 1 month layoff for the championship teams (which is a BIG reason why the SEC has done so well in BCS bowl games, as they often feature run based, clock-control offense, while other conferences like the Big 12 and Pac 12 have teams featuring pass-happy offenses which require timing and rhythm between QB and receivers. make no mistake, this 1 month layoff s with teams)

[Blake]

Blake, I know what I am talking about. Everything I've said would happen one week ago is now happening with the Pac, and the fact other bloggers are now discussing what the Pac Insider was saying a week ago shows the info is trickling through the ranks.

What exactly did you say a week ago that nobody else was saying?

I am a moderator for the premium boards at Scout.com and Rivals.com and am comped their best subscription packages for the information I bring to premium boards. I, too, am an Arizona Insider, as DoK has attested to on multiple occasions. I told DoK one week ago all this was going down within short order based upon other Insider info. Said what the ideal was, and what would happen if it couldn't be had.

So the ideal was Rice over Tech?

lmao, bull .

Let me get this straight.....

the "insider" with this info prefers to tell messageboard bloggers that can only have their super secret info read if you pay for it?

why? does this insider get a cut of the messageboard profits? why is this info so secretive? Why have no real journalists picked this up?

I don't post privy Insider info in public, so few know the extent of my info, but IceColdBrewski was another I shared information with.

I'm certainly not always right, and I've jumped the gun on some info, but if I am saying Rice was amongst Scott's ideals for Pac-16 expansion, it comes from quality information, because I don't quote anybody, and I hate being wrong/looking stupid.

have you yourself talked to Scott?

if not, sorry, but a Rice over Tech call makes you look stupid. Not many ways around that.

Anyways, this thread isn't about me, my contacts or my information, because those who care know I don't spout BS. , I think I was the first on this forum to say it was for sure going to be pods, and that they and the other soon-to-exist 16-team conferences will be pe ioning the NCAA for it to be allowed.

I know it's not really about you, but what date and time did you call the Pac 16 possibly going to a pod system?

[Blake]

this would be just amazing.

get rid of the ranking system

have the regular season to determine seedings within the conference

8 best teams in each conference duke it out to win the conference, seeding plays each other just like in NBA

4 conference winners have a playoff, reseeded as 1-4 to determine opponent, again NBA style (1 plays 4, 2 plays 3)

or if they want to keep the ranking system, the ranked teams in each conference get the top seeds in their conferences, and then the unranked get seeding based on record

and for the 4 conference winners, they have the official national championship game for the winners of the two games (battling for end-season #1/#2 ranking), and a losers game (to determine who gets ranked #3 and #4 in the final polls).


there are currently 34 bowl games. doing the playoff system with the "losers" championship game would result in 34 playoff games, and shouldnt cause any issue with losing revenue. difference is, this method is exponentially more exciting, and would eliminate the bull 1 month layoff for the championship teams (which is a BIG reason why the SEC has done so well in BCS bowl games, as they often feature run based, clock-control offense, while other conferences like the Big 12 and Pac 12 have teams featuring pass-happy offenses which require timing and rhythm between QB and receivers. make no mistake, this 1 month layoff s with teams)

yeah, the 1 month layoff sucks ass.

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yeah, the 1 month layoff sucks ass.

as much as Bob Stoops screwed up the game, does Florida beat OU as easily as they did, without the 1 month layoff? I think it was pretty clear that Bradford was not in rhythm, despite having one of the finest years a QB has ever had, and led probably the most prolific passing offense of all time.

SEC = overrated

[Sisk]

SEC = overrated

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@ you getting asshurt at this statement because some SEC teams had unfair advantages due to the month-long layoff for the NC game.

whats even funnier is, not long ago, when A&M werent considering going to the SEC, you and other aggies would almost certainly agree

funniest is, there is a 100% chance you deny it now, to make yourself look like less of a dumbass over your knobslobbing of the SEC, which will have aggies crying their asses off in a couple years when they are winning 3 games a year, but saying "but but but we are in the SEC " to make some sort of bull excuse for their pathetic excuse of a school, which the SEC teams are only willing to add in order to expand their recruiting to Texas, have another easy annual doormat win in their conference, and make a few extra bucks off re ed aggie fans who think aggie has a chance in these games, only to waste their money seeing them get curbstomped 50-3.

[vander]

this would be just amazing.
...

only the playoffs themselves would be "amazing"... somewhat

regular season would be boring

the elitism and exclusion will cost many casual fans and fans of "mid-majors"


fundamentally changing a wildly successful thing just so an 8-3 team can win the championship?

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only the playoffs themselves would be "amazing"... somewhat

regular season would be boring

the elitism and exclusion will cost many casual fans and fans of "mid-majors"

fundamentally changing a wildly successful thing just so an 8-3 team can still win the championship?

how do you choose to back these statements up?

[Blake]

the elitism and exclusion will cost many casual fans and fans of "mid-majors"

you mean we will lose fans of Boise St?

Oh noes!

[vander]

this would be just amazing.

...

there are currently 34 bowl games. doing the playoff system with the "losers" championship game would result in 34 playoff games, and shouldnt cause any issue with losing revenue. difference is, this method is exponentially more exciting, and would eliminate the bull 1 month layoff for the championship teams (which is a BIG reason why the SEC has done so well in BCS bowl games, as they often feature run based, clock-control offense, while other conferences like the Big 12 and Pac 12 have teams featuring pass-happy offenses which require timing and rhythm between QB and receivers. make no mistake, this 1 month layoff s with teams)

SEC = overrated

how do you choose to back these statements up?

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how do you choose to back these statements up?

see 2009 BCS National Championship game

a team that had perhaps the most prolific offense in NCAA history (an offense that is pass-oriented and requires a lot of timing and rhythm) suddenly struggles to move the ball after not playing a football games in a month?

id say it speaks for itself. and i ing hate OU.

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you mean we will lose fans of Boise St?

Oh noes!

[vander]

you mean we will lose fans of Boise St?

Oh noes!

believe it or not, there are lots of people in America who aren't fans of the traditional powers of college football, there are lots of fans of the little guy, the underdog, the Cinderella story, and of course other teams.

yes college football would be well served to alienate them.

[vander]

see 2009 BCS National Championship game

a team that had perhaps the most prolific offense in NCAA history (an offense that is pass-oriented and requires a lot of timing and rhythm) suddenly struggles to move the ball after not playing a football games in a month?

id say it speaks for itself. and i ing hate OU.

yeah, it couldn't possibly say anything about SEC defenses
or OU's recent tendency to choke

[Blake]

believe it or not, there are lots of people in America who aren't fans of the traditional powers of college football, there are lots of fans of the little guy, the underdog, the Cinderella story, and of course other teams.

yes college football would be well served to alienate them.

serious question:

how bad would it hurt college football if they lost the Idaho TV market?

[JMarkJohns]

Blake, I'm just moving on. I'm glad you're such an expert. Fact is I moderate for multiple recruiting sites premium boards, and am comped unlimited subscriptions for my information and services. I know plenty of people, and while I've not talked to Scott, I've talked to others. While I'm not the main source on this, and I've never claimed to be, even in secret, the truth is I know actual Insiders within the Pac and Arizona athletics who are legitimate sources, who do talk to school athletic directors and conference commissioners. You act as though you've never heard of subscription-based premium information before. Do some get paid as primary Insiders? Sure. Did this guy? No. He's a booster to Arizona with direct ties to the SoCal schools. And I told you this was for Rivals.com (Owned and promoted by Yahoo Sports) and Scout.com (Owned and promoted by Fox Sports). So the standards are not just some POS blog, mind you, not that you can be convinced.

But cool. Glad you call bull . Good to have you in the Pac, even if you were the third state-of-Texas option.

[ChumpDumper]

believe it or not, there are lots of people in America who aren't fans of the traditional powers of college football, there are lots of fans of the little guy, the underdog, the Cinderella story, and of course other teams.

yes college football would be well served to alienate them.

How many fans?