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  1. #76
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    Agree they were not "weak" compared to recent le teams. I think they beat the Mavs or Heat from last year. And are better than the 2006 Heat.

    But compared to the great le teams in history they are not that strong.
    Donīt know about the Mavs, it seems that this was just their year.

  2. #77
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    So lets go over these "solid vets" Lkrfan felt like mentioning.

    John Salley played in a total of 17 regular season games with the Bulls and averaged 5 minutes a game during the playoffs.

    James Edwards was 40 years old during the 1996 season. He played in 28 regular season games (at 11 MPG) and had 28 total MINUTES during the playoffs

    As mentioned already, Randy Brown played a little under 10 minutes a game during the regular season and once the playoffs started played even less (7 minutes a game). Too say he would have the advantage on 2000 Fisher is pretty in re ed.
    The 1996 Bulls were a 7 deep team with some scrub big men they used for spot duty. The 2000 Lakers were by no means a deep team but they weren't any less deep than the 96 Bulls.
    Did you just get off the short bus? Do you find it odd that despite having no one as skilled or dominant as Shaq, Ewing, Dream, Zo, and Daughtery, the Bulls always beat teams with good or great centers? It's what I described above with "24 fouls".

    Let me break it down for you. The Bulls had 3 premiere defenders at their positions that were versatile. The best one (Scottie) could guard 3 positions. The next best (Rodman) could guard all five - including the centers I mentioned above (esp Zo ). And the third best defender they had was no slouch (MJ).

    Most teams that don't run the triangle need a good PG to run their offense. The Bulls had the ability to shut down your perimeter through the versatility of the big 3. Then if you get by them (rare) you had a Big waiting to foul you (like Cartwright or Longley or Edwards or Rodman) who were not counted on for 20/10 - nor were they capable .

    For teams with dominant post play, it puts a lot of pressure on a big like Shaq to both guard the paint (without fouling) when a player like MJ is taking his man to the rack- and deal with hack-a-Shaq because you know PJ was going to use those "24 fouls" wisely. Plus most bigs for the Bulls could shoot jumpers, making Shaq play where he is not comfortable: on the perimeter. That's why teams P&R LA to death BTW.

    Situational defense. If Shaq is about to tear the rim off, foul him. You don't need a 20/10 center or PF on your team to do that. Esp when you can get guaranteed 50+ per night from MJ and Scottie.

    So I laugh when people say MJ won without a dominant big. He had bigs that would collectively give him 20/10/3 every night. Just because he is not getting that production from one player doesn't mean he wasn't getting that kind of production to compliment him and Scottie.

    re: Fish. He got wide open shots in 2001 off of Kobe/Shaq double/triple teams. Randy would be in his grill - meaning he wouldn't get those open looks.

  3. #78
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    You're en led after The Skunker. It's okay.
    0-4 ecstasy

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    thread makes no sense. A champion can not be "swept". A defending champion can, but how does a champion team get swept? Wouldnt they be the ones doing any "sweeping"

    Ezau forgot how this works. Excuse him it's been a while since the spurs rang ...
    Looks like I struck a nerve. You mad Killa?

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    MJ - Kobe - this would have been a fantastic matchup. Wash

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    There is NOTHING MJ could do that Kobe cannot. 40pts? Check 50pts? Check. 60pts? Check How bout 80+? (Sorry, I got ahead of myself there ).

    Kobe in his prime was every bit as good as MJ. MJ highest average was like 37ppg. Kobe was 35ppg, but against much better compe ion, strong side zones, and all sorts of defensive gimmicks teams come up with to try and deal with him.

    Better handles - Kobe
    Better jumper - Kobe
    Better all around game - Kobe
    More skilled - Kobe

    Everything else is a wash. Don't take my word though. PJ even says Kobe is on par with MJ. But I say Kobe is better.

    The true difference between the 2 of them? ty teammates. MJ would have been a lottery bound player or first round fodder at best playing with the likes of Smush, Kwame, Cook, inconsistent Lamar Odom, Luke Walton, Terrible Brown, 58 year old Brian Grant, etc. , Kobe should get a medal for willing them bas s to the playoffs in the first place. MJ never played with on a stick teammates like that.

    MJ's legend grows by the day. *SIGH*

    MJ won without Shaq or Gasol

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    kobe scores 81 on the raptors and suddenly it's a big deal, as if MJ couldn't have scored 100 on the worst team in the league if he made it a point to. The difference is, when MJ dropped 37 ppg he didn't have to make a conscious effort, he just did it within the flow of the offense and kept on winning.

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    Jordan tried to score 100, but all he could muster up was 69. Kobe could have dropped 100 easily.
    Kobe- 81 against the Pathetic Raptors

    Jordan- 63 in the playoffs against the Celtics

    and, Jordan was never swept as a defending champion

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    Kobe- 81 against the Pathetic Raptors

    Jordan- 63 in the playoffs against the Celtics

    and, Jordan was never swept as a defending champion
    /Thread

    Game, set and match

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    His championship teams? NO, a team he was on before they were a le team contender maybe. After he broke the seal and started winning les he would not get swept by any team out there today.

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    His championship teams? NO, a team he was on before they were a le team contender maybe. After he broke the seal and started winning les he would not get swept by any team out there today.
    MJ quit. Anything is possible.

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