Reply With QuoteThe President has maintained he fulfilled his Texas Air National Guard duty. And, the existing records support that.
Has Bush even once claimed he was authorized to take a leave of 5 months?
The President has maintained he fulfilled his Texas Air National Guard duty. And, the existing records support that.
Actually he doesn't have the do entation to prove it...You know when you asked "Is the DD-214 fraudulent?" His last one has either been lost or destroyed.
Well, that's the first I've heard that there's an argument over whether he was honorably discharged or not.
John Kerry's DD-214
This is supposedly whats missing from Bush's record:
•* * * * Bush's last DD-214
•* * * * Any pages from Bush's flight log (they look like this and have summary areas that look like this...real pilots usually keep a copy; so does the Air Force...)
•* * * * Records from the Flight Inquiry Board convened after Bush was suspended as a pilot
•* * * * Any evidence of Bush's reclassification into another AFSC after suspension as a pilot
•* * * * Air Force Form 142 (Aviation Service Audit Worksheet)
•* * * * Any photos of George Bush in a military uniform after 1972
•* * * * Anything at all from any Alabama unit with Bush's name on it
•* * * * Any copies of form 44a from the Alabama National Guard certifying attendance
•* * * * Anything proving service by Bush between May 1972 and May 1973
This is what they posted as the equivalent of the DD-214. But its missing key information. And most noticably its missing Bush's own signature.
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President Bush earned his discharge. Paul Lukasiak is not qualified to render judgement on this issue.
Issue closed.
Thats the thrid time you said that travis, you think its going to work this time?
Care to give me an actual reason who the Paul whatever his name is and how he is related to anything in this thread?
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Apparently he's the guy behind this website: glcq.com/
Really, have you ever tried Google?
Staudt speaks.
abcnews.go.com/sections/P...917-1.html
So, how long will it take for him to be discredited....yet we should just trip over ourselves for a member of the typing pool?
How is that relevant to this thread then Yonivore? I am trying to ascertain just what Travis was trying to imply by bringing him up.
Staudt is the guy who redid everyone of Bush's ceremonies advancing him in rank so that he could preside over it. Even though it had already been done. I am not sure he has the credibility given that information to deny anything.
Yet Barnes is credible? Nice double standard.
When have I ever even mentioned Barnes in anything I have ever written?
CBS shouldn't lie about people that are still breathing. Did they really think all knowledge of events died with Killian?
Trouble with that conclusion is that CBS has as many, if not more expert witnesses, as well as the secretaries backing up their side of the story about, at least, the authenticity of the contents of the memos. It will be next to impossible to prove that CBS knowingly passed forged do ents without the issues being presented in the memos being resolved first.
Either way, the only logical conclusion is that someone, either Staudt and Killian or the secretaries and everyone who has popped up and verified the content of the letters since the CBS broadcast, has been politically (or otherwise $) motivated to change their side of the story regarding any preferential treatment W. may have received while in the TX air national guard.
The Right has unfairly attacked Dan Rather and CBS for protecting the source of the memos as being strictly politically motivated, but willingly looked the other way when Robert Novak declined to name a White House source who leaked the name of a active CIA covert agent to himself and 5 other Washington reporters.
You tell me which is more important, stopping the proliferation of WMD programs or trying to influence a federal election?
No, he just has an 86 year-old secretary. That's it.
And, her credibility is questionable because of her claim that she was Killian's personal secretary when we learn she was just a pool secretary.
Also, and I wish I could find the reference, she stated just a week before coming on to validate CBS's silly story, that she didn't recall much about Bush or what was going on then.
Don't worry, I'll find it when I have more time...
All the other CBS experts expressed doubts when CBS didn't reveal when they went to air. I think it'll be a slam dunk that they knowingly used questionable do ents...I also think it's a slam dunk that the public isn't going to care about "beyond a reasonable doubt" Nbadan, this isn't a court of law, it's the court of public opinion and most people think CBS knew the do ents were of questionable provenance and just slightly fewer believe they knew the do ents were fake.
A few things that weren't mentioned: Mrs. Knox's opinion that Bush is "unfit for office" and that he was "selected, not elected"; Killian's son's assertion that Mrs. Knox was a pool typist, not his father's personal secretary and thus not privy to the "facts" in this case; or the fact that Killian's son and wife were allegedly both interviewed by 60 Minutes before the original report aired last week and yet somehow their clips didn't make it into the segment. Rather did ask Knox what she thought of Killian's son saying that the memos don't reflect his father's opinion. Her response: "He has no way of knowing if it's true or not." Good enough for Do ent Dan!
Rathergate has more, and says Knox looked coached.
UPDATE: Several readers have e-mailed me an article from today's Houston Chronicle with a very interesting tidbit of information about Knox. This didn't come up either during the interview; think it might be relevant?
Last week, Knox said she had no firsthand knowledge of Bush's time with the Texas Air National Guard, although she did recall a culture of special treatment for the sons of prominent people, such as Bush and others.
Tonight she said she remembered Bush well and described him as "nice" and "gentlemanly", and prone to forgetting her name. A truly spectacular feat of memory recovery for an 86-year-old, don't you think? Kudos, Mrs. Knox.
In response to the question of whether Bush received preferential treatment in the TANG, Knox said she "feels" that he did. Much the way Allah "feels" that this CBS story is one big ing set-up.
Hey, Dan's not the one on trial here! If Knox is right, Rather said, the public "won't hear about it from a spokesman. They'll learn it from me." But he also delivered a message to "our journalistic compe ors," including The Washington Post and rival networks: "Instead of asking President Bush and his staff questions about what is true and not true about the president's military service, they ask me questions: 'How do you know this and that about the do ents?'"
Because Bush is a draft dodger, the rest of the media should give Rather a pass on his ty journalism. Unbelievable.
I was looking for the Chronicle article, but you have to buy a subscription to access the archives, and I wasn't that interested.
Have I told you that I love you, lately?
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If you actually care whether or not Bush fulfilled his duty decades ago, you must really believe that your candidate doesn't have a chance.
Who gives a ****? He's been president for almost four years. Base your opinions on that, not what he did decades ago.
Some of you look like idiots trying to make this important. Look at his record as president, then decide.
Grasp for straws all you want.
People keep posting that they don't care, yet everytime a thread gets started about W's past with the Texas Air National Guard, it goes to 3 pages overnight. I think it's important to know whether W. intentionally skirted his time with the guard because the * campaign has made such an issue about medals Kerry received in Vietnam that the Navy nows says were properly earned. It's important for people to know that while Kerry was protecting his country in Vietnam, W was protecting his bar tab at the local Air Guard drinking hole.
It's relevant because Lukasiak has no training/background/whatever to make the claims he did.
Your "colonel" probably doesn't even exist. It's all a production of Lukasiak. Lukasiak wrote the piece, put some fic ious colonel up as the author (a colonel, by the way, with no Guard and no apparent personnel experience) and tries to convince people that the President was AWOL.
Except that like everything you lefties do, it's a lie.
Quit trying to foist lies off on us.
It's important not for what it says about President Bush but, for what it is revealing about Demoncrats and their liberal buddies in the media and how they collude to try and drive elections.
I want this to run until election day. I want to see Dan Rather's head explode on National T.V. This is doing nothing but destroying -- yes, destroying -- the Kerry Campaign. And, I'm going to do my part to see that it's hung around his neck, where it should be.
He shoulda just left Vietnam out of the race...if only he'd of been able to. Unfortunately, he's done nothing with his life since then and now, all of a sudden, he's finding out that what he did with his life back then isn't as honorable as he'd been leading people to believe all these years.
Bring it on!
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