Oh no I shudder, Gimp.You should see me angry
Whats really sad is that republicans in general seem to treat this all as a game of what can we get away with. Can we quiet the tide of AWOL claims by claiming this a forgery? Its all a game to you isn't it? You don't really care one way or the other, so you can lie your way to the top. Using every deciet possible to make it look above baord. Do you really believe Bush did things on the level, and did any service to his country when he actually served?
How can we stand idly by while a major news organization smears a presidential candidate with forged do ents?
Damn kid, settle down. You are so mad right now your fingers are tripping over themselves.
You should see the smile on my face I am not mad. Just hitting a cord within you. You know I am right about this. I am not sayign these do ents are real or fake just to undermine bush. If they are fake I am going to be pissed with whoever made them.
But honestly does this smear the president? Isn't he already guilty of everything implied in those do ents? You yourself have admitted to half of the things implied by them. You acknowledge he probably didn't take the medical exam because they started doing random drug screenings at that time.
If there actually isn't a piece of paper with Killian's name on it ordering him to take a medical exam that actually implies the same thing as the CYA do ent. It imples he was given special treatment.
One other item of a possibly trivial nature...
Unless the Air Force is recycling an old memo style, the style those purported memos were written in (namely, the MEMORANDUM TO line and the right-tabbed signature block) is the current style.
However, back when I first joined the Air Force, the letter style was different. The header was 3 lines, not 2 (Reply to:/Subject:/From: ) . Further, the signature block was at the left margin, not tabbed to the right.
The style shown in the memos wasn't directed to be used until the late 80's/early 90's.
Now, you're just being trivial, travis.
Air force may not equal the Air National Guard but it could be a valid point travis.
I'm going to repeat this just to do so:
But honestly does this smear the president? Isn't he already guilty of everything implied in those do ents? You yourself have admitted to half of the things implied by them. You acknowledge he probably didn't take the medical exam because they started doing random drug screenings at that time.
If there actually isn't a piece of paper with Killian's name on it ordering him to take a medical exam that actually implies the same thing as the CYA do ent. It imples he was given special treatment.
Prove it.Isn't he already guilty of everything implied in those do ents?
If so, why the forged do ents?"Isn't he already guilty of everything implied in those do ents?"
Isn't he already guilty of everything implied in those do ents?
Prove it.
Bush was suspended from flying for failure to show up to a medical exam. Thats a matter of public record. What we don't have is a commabder yelling at him for being a no show. If there indeed isn't such an order by Killian than why was Killian giving him special treatment?
That doesn't make him guilty of "everything" in those memos.
The memos don't imply much else. They imply he wanted to transfer to a non drilling unit. Which he did. And they imply that he got special treatment, which based upon the fact that he transferred to a non drilling unit, which the gurad rejected his request to trasfer the first time becuase he was over qualified, but somehow he got the transfer anyways.
You can't prove the "special treatment" part. Sorry.
Look if the order to show up for a medical exam was a fake as you contend wouldn't that be special treatment if there were no such order?
No...you're presuming he couldn't have been transferred on the up-and-up. No proof to your assertion. Try again.
Every expert in authenticating do ents, type, typewriters, etc...who is willing to put their name along with their opinion has come out with the opinion that it is highly unlikely that those do ents are real, save CBS' expert. A number have said straight up that they look forged. CBS' expert is a handwriting expert and he signed off on only one of the do ents. He himself noted that the do ents had been copied and/or faxed so many times.
Saying that it has not been "proven" that they are fakes rings rather hollow and does not reflect the reality of where this issue stands in the media at the moment. Even the NY Times has questioned their authenticity, along with ABC, the Washington Post, Newsweek, etc. This is not just the GOP who is questioning the authenticity of those do ents.
Noted computer type expert Newcomer states up front he is not a Bush supporter, but he does believe it is quite important that we know whether or not that certain prominent news organizations have not perpetuated (knowingly or not) a hoax.
Again, DSO argued for quite some time that these do ents, which he/she/it believed to be true, were significant because they proved the President was not being honest.
Now DSO wants us to believe that doesn't matter.
As we have seen in this thread, DSO is backtracking so fast he probably has his nose in his ass.
The only issues now in reality, not in leftwing partisanland, is who created these do ents, who gave them to CBS, why CBS apparently was unable to detect the hoax, and will CBS admit its mistake.
There are two issues here.
(1) the transfer. He was flat out denied the transfer the first time. As I have stated, the Air guard wouldn't allow a pilot they dumped a couple of grand on to train, to a unit that coudln't use that service.
Tranfer Request Doc
Request denied...its not allowed under his current millitary obligation.
(2) Absence of an order to report for a failed medical checkup
Do ent showing bush was grounded for failing to report for a physical
Others not being argued right now:
(3) How he got in, in the first place
(4) Another sevice do ent penalizing bush for bad attendance.
So he missed a physical, which was known, and he received an honorable discharge.
Great.
Again, the memos, even if they weren't such obvious fakes, would have proved very little.
What really matters is who created them and who was in on it. If it was the Kerry campaign then this election is most likely over.
Which brings me back to my question did Bush's service actually serve this country in any way shape or form?
Apparently so as he received an honorable discharge. If official military do ents are good enough for John Kerry then they are certainly good enough for George W. Bush.
That's already been covered in other areas. One, he already had sufficient points accrued to qualify for "satisfactory" attendance. Two, he had already made his intentions known about leaving the Guard anyway. Three, with the Vietnam War winding down, the AF/AFRes/ANG were trying to get people to leave anyway.
You have yet to prove he did anything wrong.
Bush did serve in the National Guard full time for 2 years and earned a rather large number of points, well above the minimum required. In every subsequent year he earned more than the minimum required and that is why he was discharged from the Guard about 7 months early. The Guard operated on that type of system when it came to service.
Hence, again, why for the Bush haters, those do ents must be true.
Wait you're a millitary guy. How do you feel about the guy that just slides by, only attends enough drills to get credit. Being in the millitary is not about doing the bare minimum its about serving this great country of ours.You have yet to prove he did anything wrong.
I don't think he did anything wrong per say, just that he didn't serve the country, and basically ripped off the American tax payer getting to putz around on fighter jets.
"I don't think he did anything wrong per say, just that he didn't serve the country, and basically ripped off the American tax payer getting to putz around on fighter jets." ..........I'll bet you didn't feel that way about "slick willy" did you despurate?
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