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  1. 11-12-2011 #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
    How many players have gotten at least four rings in the history of the sport?

    Ok, now compare that to how many players have gotten zero rings.

    Makes the answer pretty easy.
    I see what you did there
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  2. 11-12-2011 #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
    How many players have gotten at least four rings in the history of the sport?

    Ok, now compare that to how many players have gotten zero rings.

    Makes the answer pretty easy.
    It's only LBJ vs Shaq, though.

    Shaq's ceiling is a few dozen stories higher than LBJ's. He could have gotten 7-8 rings while LBJ is pretty much set on 3-4 if he plays Pippen starting next season.
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  3. 11-12-2011 #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by pass1st
    5>4 means a better player, I think

    Saying Shaq underachieved is saying he would have gotten more rings ontop of his four than LBJ would have gotten throughout his entire career.
    Since LBJ's career is far from over, there's no way to tell.
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  4. 11-12-2011 #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMC
    Since LBJ's career is far from over, there's no way to tell.
    A logical estimate. He needs to prop up another elite player, like Wade, in order to win. Since his success will depend on another's success, 3-4 is a pretty good guess.
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  5. 11-12-2011 #80
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    LBJ. Shaq won stuff at least.
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  6. 11-12-2011 #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by LkrFan
    As gifted as LBJ is, it has to be Shaq. I appreciated his contributions to 3 rings when he was a Laker, but I'm greedy. We should have had at least 5 with him and Kobe on the same roster.

    LBJ's book isn't nearly closed yet, but if he doesn't get at least 3 with Wade and Bosh, I may change my mind.

    Thoughts?
    This is a joke, right?

    Kobe Bryant wasn't exactly helping Shaq win championships. He probably cost him at least 2.
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  7. 11-12-2011 #82
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    ^The proof is in the pudding:::Kobe won two without Daddy.

    Daddy only won one without Kobe.
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  8. 11-13-2011 #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giuseppe
    ^The proof is in the pudding:::Kobe won two without Daddy.

    Daddy only won one without Kobe.
    Shaq won 3 rings as the man. Put any competent shooting guard with him and they win. No way Kobe wins any of those 3 rings without Shaq.

    What pudding?
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  9. 11-13-2011 #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giuseppe
    Just be grateful Kobe had the vision & wherewithal to run Daddy off. Otherwise we'd a never gotten the last two.
    And you wold not have the first three without him, so take the last two and give the first three away and what do you got? ONE LESS............
    Quote Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
    How many players have gotten at least four rings in the history of the sport?

    Ok, now compare that to how many players have gotten zero rings.

    Makes the answer pretty easy.
    Good post!
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  10. 11-13-2011 #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by nowhereman523
    Shaq won 3 rings as the man. Put any competent shooting guard with him and they win. No way Kobe wins any of those 3 rings without Shaq.

    What pudding?
    How about HOF bound Ray Allen? How'd that turn out?

    Who's troll are you BTW?
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  11. 11-13-2011 #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by LkrFan
    How about HOF bound Ray Allen? How'd that turn out?

    Who's troll are you BTW?
    In those 3 years, Shaq would have won with Ray Allen as his SG without a doubt. Probably would have won 5 or 6 championships overall. Would definitely have beat the Pistons.

    Shaq as the man - 3
    Kobe as the man - 2
    Last edited by nowhereman523; 11-13-2011 at 12:50 AM.
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  12. 11-13-2011 #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by nowhereman523
    In those 3 years, Shaq would have won with Ray Allen as his SG without a doubt. Probably would have won 5 or 6 championships.

    Shaq as the man - 3
    Kobe as the man - 2
    Now you moving the goal post.

    Ok, I'll bite.

    Kobe as "Robin" - 3
    Shaq as "Robin" - 1

    Let's go to Lederman's score card after we total it it up:

    5>4. Kobe is the man.
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  13. 11-13-2011 #88
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    Quote Originally Posted by pass1st
    It's only LBJ vs Shaq, though.

    Shaq's ceiling is a few dozen stories higher than LBJ's. He could have gotten 7-8 rings while LBJ is pretty much set on 3-4 if he plays Pippen starting next season.
    Lebron's ceiling is only low because he keeps failing. Doesn't anyone remember LBJ was supposed to be the next Jordan, with a more physical toolset?

    Everyone in this thread saying, "LBJ can't help that he's a weakminded pussy" and then blasting Shaq for not staying fit... uhm... whiskey tango foxtrot? You could use the same argument to say Shaq's ceiling is lower because he wasn't mentally prepared to dedicate himself the way all the greats do.

    4 is greater than 0.

    How many rings would Shaq have had to win to be just an achiever? 6? 7? 10?
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  14. 11-13-2011 #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
    How many rings would Shaq have had to win to be just an achiever? 6? 7? 10?
    At least more than Kobe.

    tee, hee.
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  15. 11-13-2011 #90
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    Quote Originally Posted by nowhereman523
    Shaq as the man - 3
    Kobe as the man - 2
    Kobe: 5

    Daddy: 4
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  16. 11-13-2011 #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Cagney
    And you wold not have the first three without him, so take the last two and give the first three away and what do you got?
    I'll take:::

    Kobe: 5

    the bag: 4
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  17. 11-13-2011 #92
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    Quote Originally Posted by nowhereman523
    Shaq won 3 rings as the man. Put any competent shooting guard with him and they win. No way Kobe wins any of those 3 rings without Shaq.

    What pudding?
    Kobe: 5

    Daddy: 4
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  18. 11-13-2011 #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giuseppe
    ^The proof is in the pudding:::Kobe won two without Daddy.

    Daddy only won one without Kobe.
    Kobe won ZERO without Pau or Daddy though
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  19. 11-13-2011 #94
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    Quote Originally Posted by m>s
    Kobe won ZERO without Pau or Daddy though
    ...or Fisher. What's your point?
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  20. 11-13-2011 #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by m>s
    Kobe won ZERO without Pau or Daddy though
    But, Pau couldn't win a single playoff game till Kobe took him in.

    Kobe won two without Daddy. Daddy only won one without Kobe.
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  21. 11-13-2011 #96
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    Quote Originally Posted by pass1st
    LeBron improves season after season, works hard (post-2008) and is doing everything to achieve what he can.
    I don't see any of this. I don't think he improves season after season, I don't think he works particularly hard and I don't think he's doing everything to achieve what he can.
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  22. 11-13-2011 #97
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    Comparing Shaq's rings to Kobe's when Shaq is the reason he got the first three.

    Also lets not act like Pau didn't deserve that finals mvp. Kobe should be stuck at one.

    Post-shaq/pre-pau Kobe is the biggest underachiever. I mean how do miss the playoffs if you are "that good".
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  23. 11-13-2011 #98
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan89
    Comparing Shaq's rings to Kobe's when Shaq is the reason he got the first three.

    Also lets not act like Pau didn't deserve that finals mvp. Kobe should be stuck at one.

    Post-shaq/pre-pau Kobe is the biggest underachiever. I mean how do miss the playoffs if you are "that good".
    Yup.

    Shaq -3
    Kobe -2
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  24. 11-13-2011 #99
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    lol losing after being up 3-1 and quitting on your team in a game 7

    talk about under achieving
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  25. 11-13-2011 #100
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    ^
    lol closer
    lol clutch
    lol leader

    lol being called these things because you won four times as the 2nd option. Not even the 2nd option if you go by the TS% and some Lakerfans like that stat.
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