Realgm: "Lakers Are CP3's New Preferred Destination"

[Killakobe81]

Of course Paul helps make us better. We went to the 2nd round Last year with very little from Pau. IF bynum can stay healthy (i know) and you add PAul to that team (minus Pau) not sure we could beat Dallas the way they were playing, but no way we get swept.

IF i have to choose of COURSE I take Dwight. But that deal is not yet available. You get Paul but make sure you have something left to get Dwight. It will probably take a 3 team deal as well ... unless you dont give up too much for Paul.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Saying Howard is a "marginal upgrade" over Bynum is one of the single dumbest things I've ever read on this site.

[Ode to Triple Ocho]

No, we started disagreeing when you posted this stupid :

I AGREE, GETTING BOTH WOULD BE NICE, but you're the one who said you'd rather get CP3 than D12.

Not exactly, no. I said Bynum/Odom/Kobe/CP3 > Howard/Gasol/Kobe, with the bonus of still being able to get Dwight. Statistically and depth wise: Fact number 1.

What has Bynum shown you in his injury-riddled, lazy, fat-ass career that proves he's ready to man the Lakers FC? Banking on Odom to consistently show up was also a good one

Banking Pau Gasol to consistently to show up is a good one Acting like his mental collapse hasn't happened before

Bynum can defend at a similar level to Howard when healthy and he was healthy last season + playoffs and no rehabbing to do this offseason. .

Statistics back what I said up. Why can't your brain understand that fact? It's a marginal upgrade statistically - is not an untruth, but fact. Nobody is saying Bynum is better than Howard. But the upgrade isn't even in the same realm as Fisher to CP3, which fill two huge needs for the Lakers. The Lakers front court, outside of Pau, wasn't the problem in the playoffs. It was the worthless perimeter not named Kobe.

Oh, and the SF position is considered the front court.

No, they are considered a wing unless they play heavy minutes at PF/C, which Gay doesn't.

[Ode to Triple Ocho]

Saying Howard is a "marginal upgrade" over Bynum is one of the single dumbest things I've ever read on this site.

Acting like Pau is a better player than CP3 is much dumber

I stated a statistical fact. With Pau gone, Bynum would be getting more touches/minutes, which equates to more points and rebounds. Bynum plays elite defense at his position, not as well as Dwight consistently, but elite nonetheless.

[Ode to Triple Ocho]

LA will almost assuredly make it to at least the WCF if they stand pat

Speaking of dumb

Advocating the Lakers play a Fisher/Blake rotation

[DeadlyDynasty]

Just to make sure we're 100% clear on this, you're saying that if the Lakers were to swap out Bynum for Howard, we'd only see a marginal difference in production? The same Laker team (but with Howard, instead of Bynum) would only be marginally better than last year?

Gasol played great in 11/12 playoff series from 2008-2010 (2008 Finals lone exception), but he's garbage b/c of one bad postseason with the Lakers. However, Bynum--who has done nothing in his playoff career except injure Kendrick Perkins--is somehow ready to man the Lakers FC? That doesn't make any sense.

Everybody not named Kobe was awful against Dallas last year, and even he wasn't all that great. The team just sucked all-around for some inexplicable reason, and should've won Games 1 and 3. They just weren't mentally right. Give Dallas credit too, cause they proved they were legit.

Look dude, I'm all for shipping Gasol's ass out, but not unless we're damn sure we can get D12 at some point...or else we lose our best offensive big and are stuck with an oft-injured, underachieving center and an inconsistent LO.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Speaking of dumb

Advocating the Lakers play a Fisher/Blake rotation

Here's my actual quote that you cut-off to your liking, but were caught red-handed

We'll see...btw Memphis would have the best FC in the West if Pau was dealt (Gay, Gasol, Z-Bo). With Dallas losing Chandler, Butler, and likely Barea too, LA will almost assuredly make it to at least the WCF if they stand pat this offseason with their bigs. Ariza is also not guaranteed as the filler either, so if we don't get him then are we really better off with CP3 and a weakened FC?

That's my point, and where we disagree. I don't think Paul is the difference maker you're hoping for. D12 is that guy, imo.

I think it's safe to say they'd at least make a play for a stopgap FA pg like a Davis or Billups (should he become available). You're acting like the PG position is the be-all end-all of the Lakers. It's not. PG means in the big picture.

[Ode to Triple Ocho]

Just to make sure we're 100% clear on this, you're saying that if the Lakers were to swap out Bynum for Howard, we'd only see a marginal difference in production? The same Laker team (but with Howard, instead of Bynum) would only be marginally better than last year?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Come back when you learn to read. I never said that at all.

Gasol played great in 11/12 playoff series

Nope. He was terrible against Denver/Houston in 2009 and pretty mediocre in a few others.

but he's garbage b/c of one bad postseason with the Lakers. However, Bynum--who has done nothing in his playoff career except injure Kendrick Perkins--is somehow ready to man the Lakers FC? That doesn't make any sense.

It wasn't one bad post season. 2005 and 2006. 08 Finals. Dirk all over Pau in 2011 the exact same way he did in the past. 0-12. There is absolutely no reason to think it won't happen again when he's 1 year old and rapidly declining.

Everybody not named Kobe was awful against Dallas last year, and even he wasn't all that great. The team just sucked all-around for some inexplicable reason, and should've won Games 1 and 3. They just weren't mentally right. Give Dallas credit too, cause they proved they were legit.

Nobody was as awful as Pau Gasol on the paid to produce scale. Not even close. Pau was a liability on both ends of the floor. That wasn't the case with Bynum, Odom and Kobe.

Look dude, I'm all for shipping Gasol's ass out, but not unless we're damn sure we can get D12 at some point...or else we lose our best offensive big and are stuck with an oft-injured, underachieving center and an inconsistent LO.

You would prefer to keep Pau Gasol and stand pat over trading him for CP3 if they can't get Howard. Sounds like the dumbest position the Lakers could possibly take.

I'm advocating: get better now. Trade an overrated, mentally soft and inconsistent Pau for a the best PG in the NBA. Improve the team. Howard is still a pipe dream and if it happens it happens. If it doesn't, the Lakers are much improved team offensively and defensively compared to last season with a promising young PG/C in their mid-twenties.

[picc84]

If this trade goes through and Howard doesn't come, Bynum's knees will explode by February. 35+ minutes per night + b2b2b + 17b2b's.....

LA must know something we don't. Cause no way they're stupid enough to hand the C keys to Bynum for an entire condensed season.

[Ode to Triple Ocho]

Then again, Bynum could produce well in a condensed season (he's already used to playing 50-60 games), benefiting from CP3 and that would just confirm that he's the best Orlando could trade for. Worst case scenario the Lakers still have a young center that has been improving every season on a team option.

[DeadlyDynasty]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Come back when you learn to read. I never said that at all.

Then what was your point in your "marginal upgrade" babble, you dumb ?
Go back to your original post...you said Howard was a marginal upgrade over Bynum. Then you implied that since he was statistically close to Howard defensively, he must have a similar impact on the game.--If I'm wrong in that assumption, then why the would you even attempt to make a case for Bynum in the first place? Howard>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bynum. Can I make it any ing clearer to you?

Nope. He was terrible against Denver/Houston in 2009 and pretty mediocre in a few others.



It wasn't one bad post season. 2005 and 2006. 08 Finals. Dirk all over Pau in 2011 the exact same way he did in the past. 0-12. There is absolutely no reason to think it won't happen again when he's 1 year old and rapidly declining.

Again...what was Bynum doing during all of this? That's right, he was injured or fouling out.

Nobody was as awful as Pau Gasol on the paid to produce scale. Not even close. Pau was a liability on both ends of the floor. That wasn't the case with Bynum, Odom and Kobe.

4-0 is 4-0...if you wanna put that all on a guy who put up 19 and 18 in a Game 7 against the Celtics, be my guest (what were Drew's #'s?). Chris Paul would not have saved us that series. He played like . Dirk owns him, but Pau's not the only one to blame for the Lakers collapsing down the stretch in Games 1 and 3.

You would prefer to keep Pau Gasol and stand pat over trading him for CP3 if they can't get Howard. Sounds like the dumbest position the Lakers could possibly take.

I'm advocating: get better now. Trade an overrated, mentally soft and inconsistent Pau for a the best PG in the NBA. Improve the team. Howard is still a pipe dream and if it happens it happens. If it doesn't, the Lakers are much improved team offensively and defensively compared to last season with a promising young PG/C in their mid-twenties.

You're advocating getting rid of our best big (and he IS, like it or not), and HOPING that Bynum's knees hold up for an entire season. If by some miracle they do, what has he shown so far that indicates he's ready to take over? Bynum is a ticking time bomb, and his ass needs to go (for Howard) while he still has the illusion of value.


I'll take whomever, as long as D12 is priority #1.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Then again, Bynum could produce well in a condensed season (he's already used to playing 50-60 games), benefiting from CP3 and that would just confirm that he's the best Orlando could trade for. Worst case scenario the Lakers still have a young center that has been improving every season on a team option.

Or he could shred his knee (50/50 chance at the rate he's going) and be useless...then we're stuck with only Lamar Odom manning the paint. But damn if we wouldn't have a sick backcourt! GREAT PG=AUTOMATIC LE EVERYTIME

[jeebus]

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[21_Blessings]

Then what was your point in your "marginal upgrade" babble, you dumb ?
Go back to your original post...you said Howard was a marginal upgrade over Bynum.

Yes, go back and see where I said CP3 is an astronomical upgrade over Fisher compared to Dwight being a marginal upgrade over Bynum. Context. Not to mention, you're also sending Odom out on the deal you big dumb idiot

Dwight's production does not fully replace Bynum and Odom's. Your starting lineup improves, bench and depth get significantly weak

ThenThen you implied that since he was statistically close to Howard defensively, he must have a similar impact on the game.--If I'm wrong in that assumption, then why the would you even attempt to make a case for Bynum in the first place?

Bynum's defensive impact is similar to Howard's. Check the stats.

Howard>Bynum. Can I make it any ing clearer to you?

I agree.

Can I make it any ing clearer to you?

Again...what was Bynum doing during all of this? That's right, he was injured or fouling out.

4-0 is 4-0...if you wanna put that all on a guy who put up 19 and 18 in a Game 7 against the Celtics,

On 30% shooting and while getting torched by KG all game

What does 2010 have to do with Pau'ls abysmal 13/7, 42% shooting (as a big) and playing no defense at all. Matt ing Barnes did a better job defending Dirk than Pau

be my guest (what were Drew's #'s?). Chris Paul would not have saved us that series. He played like . Dirk owns him, but Pau's not the only one to blame for the Lakers collapsing down the stretch in Games 1 and 3.

Actually, Pau is to blame for game 1. No defense, worthless offense and a dumbest foul you could possibly commit towards the end of the game. Phil should take a bit of that blame for even having Pau Gasol on the court when Bynum had been out-playing Pau all playoffs (and the last 3 months of the season for that matter).

You're advocating getting rid of our best big (and he IS, like it or not),

Past tense. Pau was the Lakers best big and his value won't ever be bigger than what it is now.

and HOPING that Bynum's knees hold up for an entire season. If by some miracle they do, what has he shown so far that indicates he's ready to take over? Bynum is a ticking time bomb, and his ass needs to go (for Howard) while he still has the illusion of value.

1) Bynum's knees held up last season and they held up the year prior while he was playing injured

2) Who the said anything about Bynum taking over? Haha, dumbass. Yeah Bynum's taking over when CP3 and Kobe are on the team.

3) I'm all for trading Bynum after the Lakers get CP3. The more the merrier. Bynum's trade value is only going to go up at his age though.

I'll take whomever, as long as D12 is priority #1.

Improving the team by trading Pau for CP3 doesn't mean D12 isn't priority number 1. Arguing with yourself

[21_Blessings]

CP3 and Dwight works for me. Maybe I can convince Otis to love Gasol as much as Laker fans.

[DeadlyDynasty]

CP3 and Dwight works for me. Maybe I can convince Otis to love Gasol as much as Laker fans.

This must be a hard time for you. At least you no longer have to wait for Bynum to actually become something.

[21_Blessings]

This must be a hard time for you. At least you no longer have to wait for Bynum to actually become something.

Why would it be a hard time for me?

[DMC]

rofl

[Michael Jordan.]

[irishock]

Chris Paul. If you have a frontcourt of Howard and Gasol, add Kobe on the wing, then frankly my dear i dont give a who our PG is.

Get Howard. Nothing else matters.

guess that turned out pretty well

[Kool Bob Love]

...and for the record, I'd rather have the latter. Teaming one of the most skilled offensive big men with the reigning DPOY (who's also improving on offense) would be a nightmare for any team. Throw Kobe in there and it's not even fair, imo.

WRONG

[Kool Bob Love]

A good pg isnt a necessity in the nba...if you haven't figured that out by now then try following a different sport.

This deal only makes sense if we get Howard first. Without D12 we'd have a pg with knee issues, a center with knee issues, and a 33-yr old Kobe with knee issues. Watch out NBA!

sha-boom

[Kool Bob Love]

True, but Howard changes everything for this franchise and ensures our dominance for many years. I know you rag on him for his happy-go-lucky at ude, but if you remember Shaq was also kind of a clown back in his early days. Kobe would set his mind right and he'd become a monster. Dwight gives us hope, Paul gives us jack by himself.

lmao dumbass

[Kool Bob Love]

He's not Shaq, nobody is...but he's the closest thing in today's game to him. Shaq was obviously a much much greater offensive force, but D12 is the better defender--he's also going against lesser centers than shaq had to go against, so his offensive impact can end up being great as well.

This is what LA does, Cub. We grab the best big man out there, make him a Laker, and win rings:

Wilt
Kareem
Shaq
Howard

That formula has worked for close to 50 years...more if you take into account Mikan w/ Minneapolis.

Why mess with a half-century of success?

Jerry BussPERIOD

[lefty]