Appreciating Kobe

[Killakobe81]

Well I hope DPG in his infinite wisdom, is correct. But I prefer to trust the wisdom of the GM with 2 championship rings. He not only tries to trade for CP3 but when that fails gifts Odom to the defending champs ...why do you think Kobe was mad? That is a blatant concession that this team isnt good enough. And thoug DD is right, the Heat appear head and shoulders above every team save the Bulls they still have holes. I just dont think the Lakers are even as good as DPG and DMC do ...

[DeadlyDynasty]

If you get to the finals, you are a contender. Contender by nature means you have a shot to win a le. Doesn't mean you are a favorite or even have a great shot; just a shot. If you win the West (which you said LA can do as currently constructed and I agree), you are a contender. Arguing otherwise makes you a liar and does exactly what typical Kobe fanbois do; makes excuses for him.

Even lamer, and still subjective.



smh

[lefty]

he's a wannabe... Kobe would get a lot more respect if he didn't try so hard to be somebody else, tbh

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[DPG21920]

Even lamer, and still subjective.



smh

The only thing lame and subjective is your arrows argument.

[LkrFan]

LA is definitely a le contender as constructed. This isn't anything close to the damn Spurs of last year because LA isn't chucking 3's. They actually have 2 top 10 bigs (Spurs did not) and a top 3 SG (Spurs did not).

Spurs problem was talent. LA's problem is style of play and discipline. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Kobe leads the league (and all SGs) in scoring. You say Kobe is a top 3 SG. Name the two that are better. I'll wait.

[DeadlyDynasty]

The only thing lame and subjective is your arrows argument.

^Lame

[DPG21920]

Kobe leads the league (and all SGs) in scoring. You say Kobe is a top 3 SG. Name the two that are better. I'll wait.

You do realize that even if Kobe is #1, he would be a top 3 SG correct . I said that because I feel you can definitely argue Wade as being better and I would put Monta up there.

[DMC]

Look at the teams they beat. 2003 Lakers and 2005 Pistons (who had no superstars) were the only good teams they beat in those stretches. It was a weak era in the NBA. Just like 2012 WC is an embarrassment

Spurs beat the same team that beat the 4 HOF Lakers team.

Qualify rings all you like, it is what it is. They won.

[DMC]

This thread boils down to a team that's being crippled by it's star player, enabled by it's owner and it's cuckold coach, and defended by it's spoiled fans who, not accustomed to less than being highly favored to win, are setting up an excuse for Kobe induced failure, trying to pin it on the build of the team.

[LkrFan]

You do realize that even if Kobe is #1, he would be a top 3 SG correct . I said that because I feel you can definitely argue Wade as being better and I would put Monta up there.

that Deepy.

Last year you might have an argument for Wade. Not this year. And i would argue that a healthy Curry is better than Ellis.

[DPG21920]

When I say top 3 it's not to knock Kobe. The point was to say that LA has basically 2 top 15 players and probably Bynum right now is top 20-25.

[DMC]

Ok so they have the best shooting guard in the league and two of the best bigs in the league.

That really kills DPG's argument.

[LkrFan]

When I say top 3 it's not to knock Kobe. The point was to say that LA has basically 2 top 15 players and probably Bynum right now is top 20-25.

Fair enough. Point taken.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Fair enough. Point taken.

Whoa whoa whoa...Don't give into him, bro. Stand your ground and call him a got.

C-mon now

[DPG21920]

ha

[Koolaid_Man]

You're flat out wrong. His work ethic and undying will isn't to prove people wrong. If it were, he would have 18 assists a game instead of 35 FGA. Everyone knows he's a chucker. Chucking more doesn't prove those people wrong.

, by your logic, every showboating thug in the league is out to prove people wrong.

If he wants to disprove those who say his chucking is a cancer to the team, he's had many years to do so, and in those years where he didn't have other all stars to buoy the team, his chucking was notoriously suspect, as was his alternative method of just quitting and refusing to shoot.

The guy has been coddled like few people in the history of sports, and he makes 30m a year in salary. I know people who make 70K who work harder than him, and who's work ethic doesn't include ting on the rest of the team for their own glory.

Isn't Kobe's style the American way.... ...stop being mad that he's left TOSB in the dust...he's not ing Timmy

[Koolaid_Man]

that Deepy.

Last year you might have an argument for Wade. Not this year. And i would argue that a healthy Curry is better than Ellis.

Hey homie...you wasting precious time with Sour fan...oops Spur fan...they mad as about 5>4 and also that their guy is a complete bag that can't even ing average 13 / 9 in the final yr of his undeserved contract...they're mad as Kobe has another 2-3 good yrs left to further separate himself from "THE MOST BORING BASKETBALL PLAYER THAT EVER LIVED!!!

[LkrFan]

Whoa whoa whoa...Don't give into him, bro. Stand your ground and call him a got.

C-mon now

[LkrFan]

I'm in shock this thread is made by non Laker fans. Props, tbh.

[LkrFan]

I'm in shock this thread was made by non Laker fans. Props, tbh.

[DMC]

Isn't Kobe's style the American way.... ...stop being mad that he's left TOSB in the dust...he's not ing Timmy

You Want To Piss Off Mav Fan

ok here's how you can do it...put aside your petty grievances against me and let's call a truce of sorts...act like we're cool with each other and I will defend you against Mav fan and against DPG...this should really get them to squirming...you down with this plan?

[lefty]

You're flat out wrong. His work ethic and undying will isn't to prove people wrong. If it were, he would have 18 assists a game instead of 35 FGA. Everyone knows he's a chucker. Chucking more doesn't prove those people wrong.

, by your logic, every showboating thug in the league is out to prove people wrong.

If he wants to disprove those who say his chucking is a cancer to the team, he's had many years to do so, and in those years where he didn't have other all stars to buoy the team, his chucking was notoriously suspect, as was his alternative method of just quitting and refusing to shoot.

The guy has been coddled like few people in the history of sports, and he makes 30m a year in salary. I know people who make 70K who work harder than him, and who's work ethic doesn't include ting on the rest of the team for their own glory.

He plays with a chip on his shoulder because he's frustrated that he'll never be ranked among the top 10 greatest players. Despite playing 16 years in the league for what is unarguably the most privileged franchise in the NBA, he still, unbelievably, does not understand the value of team basketball. The pieces to another championship are staring him in the face. He has two all star 7 footers to feed, and yet he fails to feed them. The recent championships the Lakers have won were won in spite of Kobe. Having won his rings, Kobe's now content to throw his team under the bus to do as much individual stat padding as he can before his body falls apart from all the 40+ minute games he plays.

The Goods

[Deuce Bigalow]

Nothing Kobe does hurts Duncan. Sorry to break that news to you. That is just Kobe fan retort. Just like how they try and downplay the talent he has around him and prop up Lebron's Cavs like they had Prime Jordan and Shaq.

Kobe already passed Duncan quite a bit of time ago.

[DPG21920]

Kobe already passed Duncan quite a bit of time ago.

No. Tim is a surefire top 10 player. Kobe is a fringe top 15.

[DeadlyDynasty]

The only thing lame and subjective is your arrows argument.

Mad because I'm right.

The Lakers were good enough to get swept in the 2nd round last year. Since then their roster has gotten worse:

-Goodbye versatile 6MOY LO
-Artest, Barnes, Blake, Gasol, Fisher, Walton, (and Kobe to an extent) all get a year older and slower
-Pau is still butthurt about being tradebait in the OS.
-Downgrade in HC.
-Added slow white guys who so far are good for nothing but 6 fouls.

The Heat, meanwhile have added depth, Chalmers has improved immensely, Haslem is healthy, and they have a nice young rookie in Norris Cole who shows a lot of promise (and has actually closed a couple games for them).

Yet you think the Lakers are a championship contender, despite no upgrades anywhere and the core getting even older. I love your logic.

Here, let me explain to the novice ST poster what you're trying to do here. Last year you were all over Miami's nuts and said they would win the le--an opinion that cost you $500 iirc

Now that the Lakers have become the Kobeshow (moreso than in years past), you're disingenuously saying that they have a chance just so you can throw Kobe under the bus when it doesn't happen. Sorry homie, you're just too transparent.

Last year's roster>>>This year's roster. Last year's couldn't win a game in the 2nd round, so.....where is your case?

Dismissed.

Spurs beat the same team that beat the 4 HOF Lakers team.

Yeah, that's why I included the 2005 Pistons as one of the 2 teams...go back and read it.