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Dirk in 12 NBA finals games has a shooting% of 40. It's not like he played two or three.

I thought we are talking about 2011, you know the achievement that makes him stand out compared to the non-Moses in that list.

[DAF86]

I thought we are talking about 2011, you know the achievement that makes him stand out compared to the non-Moses in that list.

You said him shooting that poorly during the finals was an anomaly, I brought up the '06 finals to prove that it isn't such of an anomaly.

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Two made shots(/two less misses) is a big difference (from 50 to 38%). And I don't care for your nitpicking, Dirk shot 41% from the field in the finals, that's the fact and like I said: there's nothing wrong with that, he won the championship so it's all good.

Of course, of course.

You know, 2-4 is 50% while 1-4 is 25%. Now if someone listened to you, we'd be dealing with an awful shooting performance and a good one. In reality it's only a single shot that's the difference. But then again, it's clear from this discussion how much you really understand statistics.

Again, if I can't bring up games 2,3 and 5 as great performances but I am willing to throw in game 1 in there as well, you should be more than pleased. My point is very clear, no matter how much you try to get away from it, in 4 games Dirk was almost 50%. The sick game, and the first half of game 6 skew the results. Now, since they are specific events, not consistent through the series they can be treated as likely outliers.

p.s again, how convenient of you to use an outdated FG% statistic, instead of the one which stat geeks really rave about when discussing Dirk, TS%. You clown you!

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You said him shooting that poorly during the finals was an anomaly, I brought up the '06 finals to prove that it isn't such of an anomaly.

I also said there are three series (06 Spurs, 11 Lakers, 11 Heat) that he had no business winning that really separate him from the rest.

Keep up Argie troll, you're losing your touch.

[DAF86]

I also said there are three series (06 Spurs, 11 Lakers, 11 Heat) that he had no business winning that really separate him from the rest.

Keep up Argie troll, you're losing your touch.

What the does that have to do with anything.

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What the does that have to do with anything.

huh? how about this whole thread? what, you can't read, now they don't have schools in Buenos Aires? You're making a great country look bad dude.

As Heinrich said, take this one out. You've lost every single point you tried to make in this thread, now you are resorting to completely changing the topic of discussing.

Admirable, but ultimately futile, trolling job by you.

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Two points on Dirk v. DRob or Karl Malone or Chuck or KG.

Dirk has won three playoff series he had no business winning, 06 Spurs, 11 Lakers, 11 Heat. Two of them agains the reigning champions, the other against two players that were being labeled as the best in the game. All three series without HC, in all three Dirk coming out as arguably the best player on the floor (though 06 Duncan was right there as well). The other guys in the list don't come close to doing that. Why? Look below.

Second, on the idea of offense v. all around-ness. People have a hard time understanding how an NBA roster is built nowadays and go on with this MYTH of players having to do everything. The point is that when you pay a superstar $20mil a year he needs to be your closer, the best offensive player on the court. If he does that, than you can go and get yourself a Bruce Bowen or Ben Wallace for 5 mil. Because at the end of the day you are not asking your star to consume himself defending. The point of Dirk not being a great defender is irrelevant if he's not the one actually doing the defending on the other team's main threat.

However, if your 20 mil guy can't dominate, if he is a KG, than the issue of building a roster gets more complicated. Now you need more than a Bruce Bowen, you need someone who can get you some points as well. But that guy will cost more, he'll cost 8 mil. And so with the cap you quickly run out of space and flexibility because you're spending extra money to cover for the holes in your superstar's game.

It's not accidental that KG needed two All Stars to win a ring, while Dirk went twice to the finals without another one by his side or that even with the ty rosters in 08-2010 he never missed the playoffs in a more compe ive West than the one KG had to deal with when he couldn't make the playoffs. Once your star dominates offensively it's easy for the other players to fill in the rest of the holes. If he can't do that, than the others have to overextend.

If this was MLS, or European soccer, where there was no limit to how much a team can spend then maybe Dirk isn't as valuable a commodity. Teams will spend whatever they need. But when optimizing your resources is key, Dirk as a foundation is much better to have than a KG or DRob, jack of all trades master of none types who can not do the one thing that the 20 mil guy is supposed to do, i.e score the last basket.

Daffie, here ya go, maybe this will refresh your memory, making it easy for those Argie an-alphabets.

[DAF86]

huh? how about this whole thread? what, you can't read, now they don't have schools in Buenos Aires? You're making a great country look bad dude.

As Heinrich said, take this one out. You've lost every single point you tried to make in this thread, now you are resorting to completely changing the topic of discussing.

If you say so

Admirable, but ultimately futile, trolling job by you.

Not that admirable since I didn't even try and much less futile since you sound very mad, tbh.

[DAF86]

Daffie, here ya go, maybe this will refresh your memory, making it easy for those Argie an-alphabets.

Again, what does that have to do with OUR personal argument?

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Again, what does that have to do with OUR personal argument?

Our???

Now, you might think there is something personal between the two of us, but from my side it's all about the topic, i.e how to separate between some great players. I offered my take on why Moses aside, Dirk has a legit argument to rank above the others. Even DPG seemed to agree with me ultimately on Dirk making the job easier for the one building the roster due to his unmatched offensive game.

Now you got smth to add or is it still all about Manu's gold medal?

[DAF86]

You quoted me about my "41% shooting" coment, I argued with you about that, never touched other arguments of this thread. That's why I said OUR personal argument. I don't have anything against you, I don't know you.

[Killakobe81]

2 or 1? Hakeem and Dirk don't have the same number of les.

Come on Jam. The hit open shots is an obvious refference to Game 7 of the "Oj chase" NBA finals. IF starks makes 2 or 3 more shots of the what 15 he missed in Game 7, Ewing has 1 ring and Hakeem doesnt have his first. That would of meant:

Ewing: 1
Hakeem: 1
Dirk: 1

I think Hakeem is greater than Ewing, no doubt about it. My point is that it seems Ewing is getting a lot of hate when his team was able to get 3 wins plus push them in Game 7 vs. Hakeem and the rox, when David and Shaq did not get anywhere close. Sure Ewing shot like , that Knicks squad was brutal offensively ... But Hakeem was at his peak and he ted on every big man over those 2 years ...

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Manu > Dirk

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Come on Jam. The hit open shots is an obvious refference to Game 7 of the "Oj chase" NBA finals. IF starks makes 2 or 3 more shots of the what 15 he missed in Game 7, Ewing has 1 ring and Hakeem doesnt have his first. That would of meant:

Ewing: 1
Hakeem: 1
Dirk: 1

I think Hakeem is greater than Ewing, no doubt about it. My point is that it seems Ewing is getting a lot of hate when his team was able to get 3 wins plus push them in Game 7 vs. Hakeem and the rox, when David and Shaq did not get anywhere close. Sure Ewing shot like , that Knicks squad was brutal offensively ... But Hakeem was at his peak and he ted on every big man over those 2 years ...

Ewing shot 36% in that series.

He has no one to blame but himself for not ringing.

[JamStone]

Come on Jam. The hit open shots is an obvious refference to Game 7 of the "Oj chase" NBA finals. IF starks makes 2 or 3 more shots of the what 15 he missed in Game 7, Ewing has 1 ring and Hakeem doesnt have his first. That would of meant:

Ewing: 1
Hakeem: 1
Dirk: 1

I think Hakeem is greater than Ewing, no doubt about it. My point is that it seems Ewing is getting a lot of hate when his team was able to get 3 wins plus push them in Game 7 vs. Hakeem and the rox, when David and Shaq did not get anywhere close. Sure Ewing shot like , that Knicks squad was brutal offensively ... But Hakeem was at his peak and he ted on every big man over those 2 years ...

My bad. You're right. I wasn't thinking of taking Hakeem's away. Brain fart.

[Killakobe81]

Ewing shot 36% in that series.

He has no one to blame but himself for not ringing.

I cant argue too much on this point. Beside im no Ewing apologist. Just saying that struggling while being guarded by two of the better post defenders in the NBA (people forget Thorpe was one of the better ones)along with a young horry (who would later become one of the better undersized post defenders) is bit unfair. Despite his 36% game 7 is still on the stubborness of Starks and Riley ...

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Despite his 36% game 7 is still on the stubborness of Starks and Riley ...

You're going to force-feed Ewing when he's clearly not up to the task? And you're making it sound like Ewing was double-teamed every second of that series. I'd find it pretty hard to believe considering the depth that Knicks team had at the 4 with Oakley and Mason. That 94 Rockets team wasn't very good (they constantly blew big leads) and if Ewing shows up, the Knicks kill them.