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    Yes, I see your hurt starting to flare up.

    Rofl you're a ing idiot.

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    I totally agree that Zimmerman appears to be a total asshole, I just maintained from page one that the evidence did not appear to justify a murder charge under Florida law.

    The special prosecutor apparently agrees with me.
    That's kinda what we were ing at. (Or at least, I was.) the law seems to be written in a stupid way, and allows a potential instigator to get away with instigating. Even if the evidence against Zimmerman were stronger, the Stand your Ground law might still have protected him.

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    I'm think I'm going to go ahead and buy a firearm.

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    Here. You want to talk about the relative innocence of a victim? The "youths" involved in this hate crime have been charged with disorderly conduct and one with robbery. All the cries for hate crime in the Trayvon case were about politics.

    I'm sure you'll have some witty comebacks about how/why this doesn't count.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/kill...ivated-attack/

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    The "innocent" Martin physically attacked Zimmerman, broke his nose, and pounded his head against the ground.

    You are ing stupid.
    You can't keep your cases properly separated.

    It's because you are a proven ing idiot.

    Rofl.

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    The "innocent" Martin physically attacked Zimmerman, broke his nose, and pounded his head against the ground.

    You are ing stupid.
    Really CC? You think the two situations are comparable? That Martin wasn't innocen because he attacked his follower?

    What would YOU do if you were being followed? (I'd like to note here that, right or wrong, a lot of black people have a strong distrust of the police, which may have been a reason why Martin didn't just call 911. Being young and dumb doesn't help either.)

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    You can't keep your cases properly separated.

    It's because you are a proven ing idiot.

    Rofl.
    God damn you are stupid.

    You are making the claim that in this case the shooter was innocent because he didn't initiate the violence while at the same time maintaining that Zimmerman is guilty of murder even though he didn't initiate the violence.

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    Here. You want to talk about the relative innocence of a victim? The "youths" involved in this hate crime have been charged with disorderly conduct and one with robbery. All the cries for hate crime in the Trayvon case were about politics.

    I'm sure you'll have some witty comebacks about how/why this doesn't count.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/kill...ivated-attack/
    What would you have them be charged with, GSH?

    A hate crime?

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    I was making fun of the claim in the other thread that the responding officer took it easy on Zimmerman because he was hispanic too.

    you really ARE ing stupid if you didn't catch the sarcasm.
    I know what you are trying to do and it's a failed bit.

    No real surprise coming from a ing idiot like you.

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    Really CC? You think the two situations are comparable? That Martin wasn't innocen because he attacked his follower?

    What would YOU do if you were being followed? (I'd like to note here that, right or wrong, a lot of black people have a strong distrust of the police, which may have been a reason why Martin didn't just call 911. Being young and dumb doesn't help either.)
    I think they were both dumb, but the legal threshold for self defense is who initiated violence first.

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    God damn you are stupid.

    You are making the claim that in this case the shooter was innocent because he didn't initiate the violence while at the same time maintaining that Zimmerman is guilty of murder even though he didn't initiate the violence.
    I don't think either is innocent in the drug car you mentioned. One's a thief, and one's a drug dealer.

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    I think they were both dumb, but the legal threshold for self defense is who initiated violence first.
    Who was talking about legalities?

    CC, if you found someone was following you around, and you noted he was following you home, what would you do? Head straight to your house and let him know where you live? Stop somewhere and call the police? Wha would you do?

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    I know what you are trying to do and it's a failed bit.

    No real surprise coming from a ing idiot like you.
    Oh you do? You realized I was using sarcasm to compare to the claims in the Zimmerman case?

    Funny here just one page back you have the hook firmly planted in your big mouth...

    Lmao at this horse . Please tell me what my position is.

    Tbh, I've been simply making fun of you and your notion that a Mexican judge took it easy on a fellow Mexican.

    You are a huge ing idiot.

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    Who was talking about legalities?

    CC, if you found someone was following you around, and you noted he was following you home, what would you do? Head straight to your house and let him know where you live? Stop somewhere and call the police? Wha would you do?
    If I was armed I would let him know I was armed and was prepared to defend myself.

    If I was unarmed I would probably call 911.

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    I don't think either is innocent in the drug car you mentioned. One's a thief, and one's a drug dealer.
    According to the law, the shooter clearly committed capital murder because the shooting happened while in the commission of another felony crime (selling drugs). As I understand it self defense doesn't come into play in that situation.

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    If I was armed I would let him know I was armed and was prepared to defend myself.

    If I was unarmed I would probably call 911.
    And if he continued to follow you without initiating violence? Would you shoot him then?

    I agree that Martin should have called 911, but I know a few black friends who won't call the police unless they absolutely have to. Just as Zimmerman didn't realiz how things would go, there's a chance this kid didn't think the cops would listen to him, wouldn't get there in time, couldn't do anything etc etc.

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    According to the law, the shooter clearly committed capital murder because the shooting happened while in the commission of another felony crime (selling drugs). As I understand it self defense doesn't come into play in that situation.
    My point was that no one is goin to consider either of those "innocent" in the generic, non-legal sense of the word.

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    And if he continued to follow you without initiating violence? Would you shoot him then?

    I agree that Martin should have called 911, but I know a few black friends who won't call the police unless they absolutely have to. Just as Zimmerman didn't realiz how things would go, there's a chance this kid didn't think the cops would listen to him, wouldn't get there in time, couldn't do anything etc etc.
    No, I wouldn't shoot or attack the guy just for walking behind me.

    And I understand all the counter arguments about not trusting the police but Martin had the means (a cell phone) to call them. Martin apparently escalated the situation that caused his own death by initiating violence first.

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    Sounds like an application of "stand your ground" here in Texas with even crazier evidence/facts.

    Murder charge dropped for drug dealer who shot thief

    By Craig Kapitan
    Published 09:53 p.m., Wednesday, April 4, 2012

    Prosecutors have dropped a murder allegation against a San Antonio drug dealer awaiting trial for the fatal shooting of a customer who tried to rip him off — instead allowing him to plead guilty to a marijuana charge.

    Jacob Andrew Trevino, 27, will now face up to two years in a state jail facility when he is sentenced next month before state District Judge Maria Teresa Herr.

    Trevino was arrested in November 2010 for the murder of Ryan Christopher Jones, 24, who was shot multiple times with a stolen .38 Special revolver, court do ents state.

    Witnesses said Jones was supposed to purchase a pound of marijuana from Trevino for $4,500 in the garage of a Northwest Side residence when he instead pulled out a can of pepper spray, deployed it and grabbed the drugs. A friend of Jones' later acknowledged the theft plot to police and said he was there with a semi-automatic gun, which was never fired, as back-up.



    Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/loc...#ixzz1rAnOfofq
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    Where they fighting over skittles or something?

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    God damn you are stupid.

    You are making the claim that in this case the shooter was innocent because he didn't initiate the violence while at the same time maintaining that Zimmerman is guilty of murder even though he didn't initiate the violence.
    I'm not the Mexican judge you ing idiot.

    I'm not the prosecutor you ing idiot.

    I'm not the alleged nor am I his attorney, friend or family member you ing idiot.

    Since I never made the claim in this thread, I therefore never made that claim at all you ing idiot.

    I'm still waiting for you to lay out the plea deal set by the Mexican judge.

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    According to the law, the shooter clearly committed capital murder because the shooting happened while in the commission of another felony crime (selling drugs). As I understand it self defense doesn't come into play in that situation.

    I concur.

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    According to the law, the shooter clearly committed capital murder because the shooting happened while in the commission of another felony crime (selling drugs). As I understand it self defense doesn't come into play in that situation.
    so the only reason he got off was because he was Mexican!

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    Double post

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    No, I wouldn't shoot or attack the guy just for walking behind me.

    And I understand all the counter arguments about not trusting the police but Martin had the means (a cell phone) to call them. Martin apparently escalated the situation that caused his own death by initiating violence first.
    Let's picture the same situation with two differences:

    One, it was a friend or loved one being followed instead of Martin.

    Two, Zimmerman doesn't have a gun.

    So on Monday, your friend/loved one is telling you about this creepy guy following him/her, and how your friend/loved one turned on him and beat the out of him.

    Is your first thought, "My god, you could have really hurt him, you were in the wrong" or is it, " yeah, good job, that will teach him not to snoop"?

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    I'm not the Mexican judge you ing idiot.

    I'm not the prosecutor you ing idiot.

    I'm not the alleged nor am I his attorney, friend or family member you ing idiot.

    Since I never made the claim in this thread, I therefore never made that claim at all you ing idiot.

    I'm still waiting for you to lay out the plea deal set by the Mexican judge.
    LOL, butthurt are we?

    The article clearly stated:

    Prosecutors have dropped a murder allegation against a San Antonio drug dealer awaiting trial for the fatal shooting of a customer who tried to rip him off — instead allowing him to plead guilty to a marijuana charge.
    The plea deal was to drop the murder charges if he agreed to plead guilty to the drug charge.

    What part of that didn't you understand?

    ing idiot.

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