Actually I was just trolling. Haven't seen the movie yet.
I had one of the best midnight showing crowds ever. No one was obnoxious, but lots of clapping in cool parts. Like the burning bat symbol etc etc.
I won't compare it to Avengers because they had different goals but I generally percieve this trilogy as an actual dramatic film which I don't think anyone could ever do with the Marvel storylines.
So are y'all really okay with Bane being a badass mastermind for two hours, then finding out that all this time you were watching a nutless monkey puppet?
Then again, prior to this trilogy I don't think I would have thought ANYONE could have done this with any comic book movie. The Amazing Spiderman tried to be this movie and obviously failed miserably.
Props to Nolan. Just a damn good set of movies.
I don't agree with your characterization of what he became just because Talia turned out to be the kid who escaped. He still plotted everything that happend and carried it out. He still kicked Batman's ass.
The pit was a prison. There was nothing supernatural about it. Bruce took five months to recover. This, of course, raises the question of why the cops trapped in the sewer system had spotless uniforms after being freed even though they had nothing else to wear for five months.
There were several Robins. This Robin was given traits of some of them and was named "Robin." The one you are referring to was Grayson, the first Robin before he became Nightwing.Robin: Was his background not being a part of a family circus? Or was that just something we haven't learned yet (how he became orphaned)?
The Venom was dropped in this version. Interestingly enough, when Bane's mask was messed up, he started wrecking concrete with his punches in a rage.[/QUOTE]Bane: So I thought the mask was there for Venom but there was no mention of that. They made it seem it was for "reducing pain" from surgeries in prision, but no mention of Venom or the tests. Is it just their adaptation?
Except that wasn't the case. He was a mastermind and one of the LOS's best (like Bruce Wayne was supposed to be) except he was exiled due to jealousy. He didn't lose his faith in the cause though and clearly played a big role in carrying on the LOS's missions when Batman killed Raz.
I do like how this movie made Raz Al Ghul "immortal" through the actions of his kid. I thought that was another good way of Nolan making the comic book ideas "real"
I agree with this. He might not have been the one calling out all the shots, but he played his part perfectly.
People who don't like Talia being the boss seem to erase from their minds everything Bane did alone up until the reveal.
Drones & Choppers, or Jones to show as the ONE military attempt to rescue Gotham? It is a lot easier to assume the military tried and failed several times over the course of the 5-month period without showing it if Nolan had a scene where the military showed all its muscle and failed regardless. Nolan failed to build up the Gotham is "on its own" atmosphere. He instead devotes two scenes to Sgt. Jones trying to collaborate with Blake and Gordon. Throughout the movie I had more of a feeling of Gotham was on its own due to the puny efforts of the military than because of Bane's power over it.
BTW was anyone else amazed by how little the trailer actually gave away in the end? I was getting pissed with the trailers because I felt they were telling the story way too in depth and in the end they really didn't ruin for me at all. Well, with the exception of the football field scene. That would have been cool to just see.
Also, I was surprised when it turned out Batman was alive. I fully expected him to die. Good twist.
I don't really think that's what happened, but, yeah, I'm really okay with how things played out. I saw it much more as Bane working with Talia, rather than Bane working for Talia, and I therefore don't think his mastermind badassness was undone by the presence of the skirt.
The Amazing Spider-Man tried to have the grittier approach with the scenes taking place at night and the cops constantly chasing Spider-Man, but at the same time, it had people turn into Lizards. The tone was all messed up.
The movie pretty much gave it away that that was going to happen by placing nuggests here and there. When Batamn asks Catwoman for help and he offers her the clean slate (the apple scene IIRC) he says he'll take her there (to erase her past criminal life). Also, the constant mention of autopilot. It wasn't that surprising imo.
So then the pit in this version was not the same that is referenced in the comics. Also, did no one else notice that lime green lake outside the prison?
I did see Bane freak out when his mask was messed up, but if it's not for Venom then I have no idea what it's function was and why he needed it so bad? They mentioned it was for the "pain" but that was it and it's still unclear to me what exactly the purpose and function was.
There was no magical pit that resurrected dead people.
The mask was for Bane's pain. Without it working properly, he freaked out and started swinging madly at Batman.
Also, Red, what about my finger prints comment? I mean, the world saw the hostile take over and the ensuing chase - so would it not have been quite easy to prove Wayne didn't do anything they said he did?
Yeah, that movie was just all over the place.
His pain from what? And what did the mask do (was it giving him medicine?) to ease the pain?
Also, I get what you are saying about the prison being the pit - but that is not what the pit was in the comics, correct? There was actually several pits around the world with seemingly magical powers to heal the hurt and give them strength, right?
I could have sworn I saw a toxic green lake looking thing when Batman was standing outside the prison, but I guess not.
Who would have been around for that? The city was in total chaos, Bruce Wayne was gone, and the board of Wayne Enterprises were in hiding. That was not on anybody's list of priorities.
Probably so. Fox did mention they might be able to fight it but that it would take a long time. The point was merely to get access to the reactor which they got anyway.
Huh? The stock market heist was one of the first things that happened, no? It is what bankrupted Bruce Wayne and led to him giving the girl the power to be the CEO (Raz's daughter). That all happened before things went nuts.
The prison was a metaphor in that it did what the pit in the comic books did in a real world way. Nolan never brought in magic to his series, so he couldn't bring in magic of that sort.
In the comics there are multiple pits that work just once (initially at least)
Ya that is what bothers me. Wayne only gave Talia access because he was bankrupt and the board was calling for his head due to him "shorting the stocks and losing..". If everyone knew it was a robbery, why would they at all think Wayne would have done that and it wasn't an act of the robbers?
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