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    you can't argue with more than 100 experts.
    #16 for Tony seems still a bit low, considering he was all NBA 2nd team and finished 5th in the balloting for the 2011-12 MVP. (only a few points behind CP and Kobe, who are 3rd and 4th).
    so they ranked 5 PGs higher than Tony. (Paul, Rondo, Rose, Westbrook, Williams).
    between the lines, this also means they don't believe that Tony can deliver another season like the last one.

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    you can't argue with more than 100 experts.
    #16 for Tony seems still a bit low, considering he was all NBA 2nd team and finished 5th in the balloting for the 2011-12 MVP. (only a few points behind CP and Kobe, who are 3rd and 4th).
    so they ranked 5 PGs higher than Tony. (Paul, Rondo, Rose, Westbrook, Williams).
    between the lines, this also means they don't believe that Tony can deliver another season like the last one.
    You can always argue with anyone man. I'd say for the most part they got it right, but that doesn't mean they got it right about everything. But just for example, they have Kyrie Irving, Marc Gasol, etc, above Ginobili, Horford, Smith, Zach Randolph, etc. I mean gimmie a break. I like Gasol, but what? I like Irving, but lol? Better than those guys last year? No in way. Does he have a lot of potential? Yes. Was he that good already? No. So their list is very arguable. Though, I'm not really trying to debate their list or base of knowledge, but let's not act like their opinions can't be argued. I'm sure you don't agree with some of the placement too.

    Anyway, I wanted to talk about the Parker comment mostly (agreeing with your assessment that they think he won't repeat the performance).

    It's weird that anyone would think that, when that arguably wasn't even the best season of his career. 08-09 Parker would've destroyed 11-12 Parker. 08-09 Parker being pre-injury Parker. Hurt in 09-10, recovered in 10-11 but with a slightly lesser role. Fully recovered in 11-12, but lockout led to a slow start for him that dragged down his averages some.

    Statistical difference for 08-09 Parker vs 11-12 Parker:

    PPG: +3.7
    RPG: +0.2
    APG: -0.8
    SPG: -0.1
    TO: same

    FG%: + 2.6%
    3pt%: +6.2%
    FT%: -1.7%
    FTs/FTAs: +0.1/+0.3

    eFG%: +2.5%
    TS%: +1.7%
    AST%: -0.2%

    Offensive rating: same
    Defensive rating: +1 (which means slightly worse)


    Tbh, last year wasn't an abbaration. He was that good/better before the plantar fasciitis. At least he was a bit more of a reliable and efficient scorer.

    I could see him being better than last year tbh. Better scoring and similar/better assist totals. To go along with the underrated (above average but not amazing) defensive ability. He's the cornerstone of the team now since Duncan and Manu are older.

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    So Duncan had similar/slightly better stats than Garnett in less minutes, his team did better, and yet Duncan ranked half a dozen spots lower? What gives?

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    Tim Duncan "age: 26"

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