Chicago teachers strike

[boutons_deux]

" ing teacher's unions."

don't be coy, PussyEater, you ALL unions.

btw, all right-to-work states have lower avg hourly and benefits than other states, as the corporations always intended. Lower salaries means higher compensation for mgmt and investors. aka, The War on Employees (is over and employees lost)

[TeyshaBlue]

Wonder what the cost of living stats are like in those states?

[coyotes_geek]

That number does sound like bull . The source seems to be John Fund from the National Review. Salary.com has the median income at about $54,000 for public school teachers in Chicago, with the top 10% at $70,000.

http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/P...hicago-IL.aspx

If I'm not mistaken, what they mean by "before benefits" is really "before deductions for benefits are factored in." And apparently they pay quite a bit more for health insurance than most.

Finally figured all this out and looks like you're 100% right Spurm. BB, your info's good too. That $54k number is just salary but if you click over to the benefits tab there's a chart that shows salary as being 70% of total compensation. Take $54k, divide by 0.7 and you get $77k which is in the ballpark of the numbers from the link I posted. Still top notch compensation within the teaching profession, but not the $76k + goodies on top that I interpreted earlier. My mistake.

Thanks for sourcing the numbers, cg.

[TeyshaBlue]

Finally figured all this out and looks like you're 100% right Spurm. BB, your info's good too. That $54k number is just salary but if you click over to the benefits tab there's a chart that shows salary as being 70% of total compensation. Take $54k, divide by 0.7 and you get $77k which is in the ballpark of the numbers from the link I posted. Still top notch compensation within the teaching profession, but not the $76k + goodies on top that I interpreted earlier. My mistake.

You think you're pretty smart, huh?

[coyotes_geek]

You think you're pretty smart, huh?

Product of a public school education.

[Spurminator]

Finally figured all this out and looks like you're 100% right Spurm. BB, your info's good too. That $54k number is just salary but if you click over to the benefits tab there's a chart that shows salary as being 70% of total compensation. Take $54k, divide by 0.7 and you get $77k which is in the ballpark of the numbers from the link I posted. Still top notch compensation within the teaching profession, but not the $76k + goodies on top that I interpreted earlier. My mistake.

Thanks for confirming because I wasn't 100% sure... Just based on conversations with some people who know teachers in Chicago. The way it's being reported is confusing. "$76K before benefits" makes it sound like that's what they take home, and then they get benefits on top of it.

[101A]

From THIS article - CBS Chicago:

A Chicago Public Schools spokesperson said average pay for teachers, without benefits, is $76,000.

Block (union rep) said the average salary for CTU teachers is actually lower than what CPS claims, by about $5,000

You guys are wrong.

Salary = Salary.

Benefits are on top of that.

Not surprising; my local district here in PA (union friendly state; POWERFUL teacher's union); STARTS teachers at over $55k now - and they have 3% raises each of the next three years guaranteed before the next CBA comes up for "negotiation". Negotiation meaning the teachers threaten to strike, while the school board (two of who have spouses are teachers, three others have children in school) are the "opposition".

Public sector unions take a cannon to a fight where the other side is basically unarmed.

They suck.

[coyotes_geek]

I give up.

[101A]

Here's the districts entire roster:

http://www.cps.edu/About_CPS/At-a-gl...r_07112012.pdf

[101A]

I give up.

Median <> Average, btw

[Wild Cobra]

Just a simplification of what might be happening.

If a new full time teacher makes $43k, and through 11 annual step increases makes $87k, then the average wage could be said to be $65k. However, if we have equal numbers of teachers by year and they stay for 25 years, then more than half are topped out at the $87k pay level. Add all these teachers salaries up and divide by the number of teachers and we get an average salary of $76,440.

[101A]

The other issue (looking at the roster); I've been assuming we're talking about "Full Time Teachers".

Chicago has lots of part time teachers who are members of the union; (salaries in the 20k range); would certainly bring the average way down.

[Venti Quattro]

Derrick Rose: Hope the CPS gets a deal done soon...we need our kids in school! #TheReturn

Derrick Rose: I'm sitting here just thinking how sad it is that my city got to go through this. I love my city and everyone in it even my haters!

Derrick Rose: I don't like that fact that OUR kids are not in school and that's the only thing we have to SAVE these kids.

Derrick Rose: I pray everyday for US for real. I know I shouldn't be saying this because I hoop and it's not my lane but I feel like ppl should hear this.

All of this from a guy who cheated on the SAT.

[jack sommerset]

They get paid well and shoudnt be striking. God bless

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's probably a good thing i was not on last night for these gems.

Honestly though. The average American makes ~$45k nowadays. Chicago is appreciably more expensive to live in than the national average.

How much do you think a teacher should be paid? I know that quite a few are simply making claims on how much they make because you see 'union' and that is all she wrote but what do you think is a fair objective measure of how much a tenured teacher should make?

[Th'Pusher]

The teacher's salary is irrelevant at this point as that is not even a sticking point in the negotiation. The sticking points, as I understand them, are how much teacher evaluations should be weighted in job performance and the teacher's job security.

[Edward]

Teachers get every holiday imaginable, have hours where they never have to come in early or stay late, get a pension after 20 years, and it's not exactly a job that requires tons of intelligence. Most of all, a teacher who sucks at his/her job anyway could get caught ing farm animals and he/she getting fired wouldn't even be a remote possibility.

Teachers getting so up in arms about their performance actually getting evaluated is because of how many teachers don't give a about their job and only do it because they can be lazy without getting fired.

[Latarian Milton]

Teachers get every holiday imaginable, have hours where they never have to come in early or stay late, get a pension after 20 years, and it's not exactly a job that requires tons of intelligence. Most of all, a teacher who sucks at his/her job anyway could get caught ing farm animals and he/she getting fired wouldn't even be a remote possibility.

Teachers getting so up in arms about their performance actually getting evaluated is because of how many teachers don't give a about their job and only do it because they can be lazy without getting fired.

they're government's tools which are used to indoctrinate & brainwash the kids at very early ages, and government workers generally get paid good $ for being lazy asses. they going on striker is like protesting against their own boss (the government) which is weird imho

[jack sommerset]

Still going. God bless

[Wild Cobra]

Sorry, but I have no sympathy for teacher who make better wages and benefits than the average person, when they hold the average person's children hostage.

THEM!

[baseline bum]

But they don't make a middle income of 250k a year son.

[Wild Cobra]

But they don't make a middle income of 250k a year son.

So?

[jack sommerset]

But they don't make a middle income of 250k a year son.

Those who can, do...those who can't, teach. Not worth the 250 you speak of. Not worth the money they get as is, IMHO. Lord knows they have plenty of time on their hands so they can earn a little extra money doing other part time jobs. God bless

[TeyshaBlue]

We have Latrian, Edward and WC. Good to see the Axis of Stupidity hard at work.