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WM apparently believes Jordan wins em all without Pip
Los Angeles Heat fans though are in full swing doing what their Lakers couldn't
WM apparently believes Jordan wins em all without Pip
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Au contraire mon frere. I'm on record as rooting for the team sponsored by Farmer's Insurance and HEB (here, everybody's a ). In the words of Thread, y'all ed up. Time to take your medicine...and like it.Los Angeles Heat fans though are in full swing doing what their Lakers couldn't
Well having a prime big man in the post increases your chances. Offense ran through duncan, he was the closest to the basket, therfore the most opportunity to score. Comparing a shooting Gaurd to a PF/C is ing hilarious, they are 3 feet smaller than the basket and freakishly strong of ing course its easier to score. Kobe was a jump shooting or spur fan would say "chucking" gaurd. 2004 and 2008 were completley different losses, 04 we got beat by a better defensive team while our locker room was going haywire, 2008 celtics were a better team, i admit it. No way in ing either of those losses are on Kobe. As for fans bragging there is one celtic fan on this site. thats why. And last but not least, but does spur fan not give manu or TP any credit? they do most the work, duncan just castches the ball 2 feet from the basket and puts it in..
there are maybe 2 heat fans, and judging by their posts, they have lives, they are not here all god damn day.
Yes i do, and so do the rest of the MJ nut hugging spur fans .. "michael jordan" easily the saltiest spur fan on this site, so salty that he makes a troll with the only person in NBA histroy who is better than kobe at the gaurd position... assuming we cant make an argument because hes "MJ".
please..
MJ being the best player of his team, the league, and the league's history doesn't have anything to do with the fact that Pippen played an integral part of those championship teams, much like Kobe did for the 3-peat squads. and don't you forget magic.
saying MJ would have won all 6 even without Pip seems like you are reaching just to make a point about Kobe
we dont see eye to eye on this,lets save our energy shall we?
Fact is Shaq averaged 30+ ppg and 15 rebounds in the Finals for the 3 les Kirby won with him, Kirby had the most dominating center of the modern era, Duncan had an aging Robinson, a young Manu and TP for his first 3, you could make a case for TP in 07 but it was a sweep with Lebron playing like garbage against Bowen so even without TP being as efficient as he was Spurs still win it in 5 games max.
Duncan didn't just dominate the offensive end, he was the defensive anchor for every single one of those les, Spurs beat the same Pisstons that dominated the Lakers and their 4 HOFs. Duncan never had a player like Shaq, he had decent all-around supporting casts but Kirby never had a postseason run like Duncan did in 03, neither did prime Shaq.
Show me another center that averaged 24 points 17 rebounds 5 assists and 5 blocks in the Finals in the modern era.
Again, shaq being the dominant center is the focal point, therfore he will get the most touches.more touches more points etc.. and aging or not robison was still a beast, and manu and TP were playing really really good ball, but duncan was the center of the offense. Do you think he would win a ring without parker or manu playing the way they did? as for defense, Kobes defensive resume speaks for it self, he has been names all time first team like 7 or 8 times i cant remember. And yeah, the lakers in 04 had a HOF roster for one season, how many teams do you know that win a ring by assembling their first year?
Let's see what Phil jackson had to say about Kobe's defense:
Kobe’s defense, to be accurate, has faltered in recent years, despite his presence on the league’s all-defensive team. The voters have been seduced by his remarkable athleticism and spectacular steals, but he hasn’t played sound, fundamental defense. Mesmerized by the ball, he’s gambled too frequently, putting us out of position, forcing rotations that leave a man wide open, and doesn’t keep his feet on the ground.”
its one thing to not see eye to eye, its another thing to be deliberately misguided.
key word is recent...
smh
The book came out in the early 2000s when he was still coaching the Lakers
So he is judging a young kobe ? or a not prime kobe? and how was kobe young and winning all those defensive awards? that doesnt make sense, i might have to do some research
I mean during the Shaq days, Phil wanted Kirby out of the Lakers even when they were winning with prime Shaq.
Want more? This is Kobe's coach talking about how he behaved during the Shaq era
“I was at a motel in Williston, North Dakota, when the call came from Mitch. “You’re not going to believe this,” he said, telling me about Kobe and the rape allegations in Colorado. Was I surprised? Yes, but not entirely. Kobe can be consumed with surprising anger, which he’s displayed toward me and toward his teammates.”
“To be completely fair, there were a couple things I did over the years to alienate Kobe. The most glaring example was the interview I gave in 2001 to Rick Telander, a writer I knew in Chicago. Rick asked if I believed Kobe was the heir apparent to Michael Jordan. Assuming, naively in retrospect, that a conversation after the official interview was off the record, I mentioned to Rick that I had been told that in high school Kobe “sabotaged” games to keep them close enough for him to dominate at the end. Needless to say, the quotes appeared verbatim in Rick’s story, sparking a major uproar. (Kobe has never forgiven me. Last Spring, during a particularly acrimonious team meeting, Rick Fox complained to Kobe and Shaq. “The thing that hurts us about this season,” Fox said, “is that both of you have acted like you’re apart from us, and that we’re not any good. We have won championships for each other, sacrificing, and all of a sudden, you turn your backs on us.” Shaq, clearly affected, began to respond when Kobe cut him off. “Quit your crying,” Kobe said. I then jumped in. “Kobe, you’re as much to blame as Shaq is, if not more.” “You’re the one who should f***ing talk,” he said. “You said I sabotaged games.”
“From what I understand, the defining characteristic of Kobe’s childhood was his anger”
“I’m not going to take any from Shaq this year,” Kobe blurted out. “If he starts saying things in the press, I’ll fire back. I’m not afraid to go up against him. I’ve had it.”
“Since the charges were made, Kobe has been treated remarkably well by the Lakers organization and the fans. He gave his press conference at Staples with our blessing, and we have agree–once we attained permission from the league to make sure the funds wouldn’t be applied to the salary cap–to cover a percentage of his private plane expenses to and from Colorado for court hearings. This will cost thousands of dollars. Kobe was unhappy with the type of plane that was selected; he wanted one with higher status. He should feel fortunate he’s not footing the whole bill himself.”
Kobe to the press: “I definitely don’t need advice on how to play my game,” he said “I know how to play my guard spot. He can worry about the low post”
“Why don’t the two get along? I have my theories, one of which is that Shaquille is making the type of money, about $25 million a year, that Kobe will never earn due to the changes in the league’s collective bargaining agreement. No matter how many MVP trophies Kobe might collect in the decade ahead, there is nothing he can do about this discrepancy. In fact, the word I got was that Kobe was the only player in the entire league who voted against the agreement because of the cap it put on salaries.”
“This was another example of the basic difference between him and Kobe. Ask Shaq to do something and he’ll say: “No, I don’t want to do that.” But after a little pouting, he will do it. Ask Kobe, and he’ll say “okay,” and then he will do whatever he wants.”
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“At practice the day before Kobe, who told Vitti that his finger hadn’t healed sufficiently for him to play in the Miami game, was taking a few shots left-handed when I asked him not to be a distraction. I needed to work with the players who would be suiting up. “Distraction,” he said, mockingly, unable to resist taking one more shot. A few hours later, during dinner in Key Biscayne with the staff, Vitti told us that Kobe has been threatening again to opt out of his contract, vowing “to take Slava with me.” Slava? Was this an indication of Kobe’s being totally out of touch with reality? If Kobe was interested in taking along a player who would defer to him, Slava Medvedenko was the worst choice imaginable. He hasn’t passed up a shot since November.”
“Strangely enough, despite the well-do ented squabbles, I can recall only one altercation during my four and a half years here, in February 2002, between Kobe and Samaki Walker, that left Samaki with a swollen eye.”
“We were playing solid team ball, a rarity this season, although, as usual, Kobe seemed intent on taking over. “Get me the f***ing ball,” he said on his way to the bench, a demand Kobe had never verbalized. I smiled, didn’t say a word, and went to chart a play on the clipboard. I sometimes think Kobe is so addicted to being in control that he would rather shoot the ball when guarded, or even double-teamed, than dish it to an open teammate.
“They’re making you get in your attack mode,” I told him when he came off the floor during a timeout late in the game. “You’re going to have to pass the ball. They’re not calling the fouls for you.” He was in no mood to back down. “I’m going to f***ing crush them,” he said. “I just haven’t found my shooting yet.”
This time, in a strange twist, he’s being crucified for taking too few shots: only one, unbelievably enough, in the first half of Sunday’s game in Sacramento, which we lost by seventeen points, ruining, in all likelihood, any chance to win our division. He finished with eight points, his lowest total ever in a game in which he played at least forty minutes. The theory being tossed around is that Kobe, stung by criticism for his shot selection in recent games, decided to show the Lakers how stagnant the offense can become when he doesn’t assert himself. “I don’t know how we can forgive him,” one anonymous teammate was quoted as saying in today’s Times….Today at practice, Kobe went from player to player, shoving the article with the anonymous quote in their faces. I have rarely seen him that incensed. “Did you say this?” he demanded of each player. Later, during a team gathering, he pursued the interrogation. “Right here and right now,” he said, raising his voice, “I want to know who said this .” Nobody said a word, until Karl finally broke the silence. “Obviously, Kobe, no one said it or no one wants to admit they said it,” Karl said. “You’ve just got to let it go now.” Karl and Kobe, who have become buddies, launched into a shouting match that I had to stop.
“Are you feeling like you’re going to come back next year?” Jeanie asked me. “Well, not if Kobe Bryant is on this team next year,” I told her. “He’s too complex a person. I don’t need this.”
“I asked Kobe today about Hamilton. The two played high school ball against each other in Pennsylvania. “I’ve been kicking his ass for ten years,” he said.”
“Finally it was Kobe’s turn. “You know how much I hate this f***ing offense,” Kobe said.
^ my goodness, like we didnt know all of this, yeah kobe at times was a little , but he got his straightened out. and solved it all by WINNING.
Timeout. I made that up. Are you saying that school district actually exists?
If it did, it wouldn't be how you displayed it. Like Farmers Insurance... it's not "Farmer's Insurance".Timeout. I made that up. Are you saying that school district actually exists?
I mean, if you're going to nitpick and all.
-10 points for you DMC. I'm the deputized spelling police around this parts.
You're an enlisted man I believe. You cannot be that well educated.-10 points for you DMC. I'm the deputized spelling police around this parts.
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