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    Martin and his agent failed to realize the new reality: MLE and mini MLE. contracts no longer grow on trees. They played poker and lost. They needed to fold their hand when training camp started. SA could have signed him and cut Blair at no cost, but once the season started, Blair became fully guaranteed. Holt isn't going to eat Blair's deal because KMart and his agent are stupid.

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    Yeah, the only reason not to do this is if Pop thinks he can get past Lakers with our current front line and if we face the Thunder and Heat, Durant and LeBron will see significant time at the 4. If that happens we can play Jack and Kawhi at the 4 with Duncan at the 5 and hopefully be ok.

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    Yeah, the only reason not to do this is if Pop thinks he can get past Lakers with our current front line and if we face the Thunder and Heat, Durant and LeBron will see significant time at the 4. If that happens we can play Jack and Kawhi at the 4 with Duncan at the 5 and hopefully be ok.
    The Lakers aren't really a threat at this point. Yes, they've looked good dropping the Pistons after getting crapped on in their first 3 games, but with Nash out they have the same roster construction as last year's. The Princeton Offense doesn't suit them, period; they simply need to pick and roll ad nauseam.

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    Martin and his agent failed to realize the new reality: MLE and mini MLE. contracts no longer grow on trees. They played poker and lost. They needed to fold their hand when training camp started. SA could have signed him and cut Blair at no cost, but once the season started, Blair became fully guaranteed. Holt isn't going to eat Blair's deal because KMart and his agent are stupid.
    Makes sense, still infuriating for us fans.

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    I have to wonder if the front office is even dissatisfied with our frontcourt. Obviously they have never publicly bashed Blair or Bonner, but sometime I think they truly do like the frontcourt and think it is strong enough to win a championship. I mean they cut Curry. We have not heard of any interest in McDyess even though he already knows the system and could fill the position we all think the spurs need. And now when KMart seems to be acting more reasonable there is yet again no apparent interest being shown by the spurs front office. I know they do things quietly but lately I have been starting to think that they are truly content with the roster and don't think they could feasibly improve the frontcourt.

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    Did you stop watching the NBA after the WCF? I'm pretty sure LeBron James played the 4.
    LeBron has the strenght and height of a PF, that can't be really called small ball.

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    So this story was complete BS. It's been over 60 hours since Martin was quoted as saying "If someone calls me tomorrow, I don't care who it is, whether it's losing or winning at this point," Martin said. "If someone calls me tomorrow and wants me to come in, I'm going."

    Unless you believe that there isn't a single team in the NBA willing to offer a minimum contract to Martin, the report can't be treated seriously.

    In any event, Martin isn't a possibility for the Spurs until:

    1. He really accepts the fact that he won't get more than the minimum and

    2. None of the five teams in NY, LA, or Miami will offer him that minimum contract.

    Then, and only then, does he consider the Spurs.

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    No Kmart shopping, please.
    I always cheered whenever he came into games against the Spurs because we always seemed to go on huge runs when he makes bonehead plays.

    Btw, I'm upset that I can't get a job in the NBA but I will refrain from starting a thread about it.

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    I dont know if K-Mart really would want to play alongside Tim Duncan. Those two always seemed to share a bit of animosity for one another.

    He probably wouldn't like coming off the bench with Bonner, either.

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    Another question is if a few contenders offered the minimum, would he join the Spurs?

    Lets say the real contenders are Heat, Spurs, Thunder, Lakers and maybe throw in teams like the Celtics and Clippers, are we an attractive option for him over the others? He'd probably get the most playing time with us tbh.
    The Thunder aren't as good as everyone else you listed anymore imo. I don't think he'd get any extra time with the Lakers than he would us, though it's a bigger market for himself. I could see him playing to the Celts or Clipps again, but they're not as good (not to mention the Vinny situation). Heat though, yeah, but I guess they haven't offered him a deal.


    The case against him is that the Spurs are a stats team, and Martin's metrics don't measure up well. Only once in the past 4 seasons have his WS/48 been above league average, and last year's was a pretty dang low .048. I'm not saying there's not room for him -- he definitely still has defensive value -- but that defense is only marginally better than what we already have. Both Blair's and Bonner's overall metrics blow him out of the water.

    I'm not saying I wouldn't want him here. He showed last year he's willing to play a supporting role, and with the right cast of players and coaches around him, we could certainly have another Diaw situation.
    That's a good point. . .though you're forgetting Diaw's DWS stat was significantly worse before we got him. Martin's career DWS stat is almost twice as high as Diaw's, despite only playing a little bit more games and minutes.

    The main issue with Martin is that his offense is pretty terrible. He's definitely good on D' but would be one of our worst players on offense.


    Sign him, try to Salary dump Bonner for a protected 2nd round pick, and then sign McDyess. when other teams bigs are trying to ruff up Tim, pop can send them in to lay the wood down on mother ers. trade blair away & sign Ben Wallace too solely just to crack skulls.

    Tired of this soft ass front court outside Tim, Leonard, & Jax.
    I like your enthusiasm

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    I don't know how many times I have stated this but;

    Just because people here think the spurs want/need/are looking for/should - get a big does NOT mean that Pop agrees with you. In fact, after hearing this same song year in and year out since the last spurs le-it is a pretty safe bet that Pop has no interest and will continue not having an interest in ANY bigs.

    It probably never dawned on Pop that the Spurs aren't winning any les since they went small and acquired Bonner- and it probably won't dawn on him this season when the spurs get ass-raped in the playoffs due to their midget front line.

    Yet, everyone here will continue to praise Pop and blame everyone but Pop for this state of affairs.

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    Pop likes his teams to win against all odds, including having a head coach who loves playing small and who won't publicly decry ty refereeing in the playoffs and who loves to truck out weak minded red headed chuckers when it matters most, while his 7 foot talent wastes on the bench after being chastised for a less than egregious error. The day his mind-scrambled team wins a championship, the world will truly know what a coaching genius he truly is.

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    This team has good talent at every position, I'm not sure why the Spurs don't sign another good PF. Pop must have an excellent opinion of Bonner. Tbh, Blair as a third string C is not a bad option and he can be effective vs certain teams in the RS.

    Bonner will disappear in the post-season and the small ball or Diaw who knows if will be effective vs the teams with elite bigs. Perhaps RC and Pop think the Spurs can overcome that with the talent they have at every other position.

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    Pop likes his teams to win against all odds, including having a head coach who loves playing small and who won't publicly decry ty refereeing in the playoffs and who loves to truck out weak minded red headed chuckers when it matters most, while his 7 foot talent wastes on the bench after being chastised for a less than egregious error. The day his mind-scrambled team wins a championship, the world will truly know what a coaching genius he truly is.

    Post of the week,tbh.

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    If Pop and RC believe that Blair and Bonner can help win a championship they are delusional.

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    It would be nice to have a guy like Martin for games like these, tbh, instead of the soft play from Splitter, Blair and Bonner..it's embarrassing having monkeyball staring down and intimidating the bigs on the Spurs roster..

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    HH is right, we need this guy to not puss it up when Splitter, Bonner etc are being soft as . Also at least he ing does something

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    Not sure if this is already being discussed anywhere else.

    http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_r...SI&eref=fromSI

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    It says he prefers to go to the Heat

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    Which we all knew when he said he'd play for the minimum.

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    It says he prefers to go to the Heat
    Surprise surprise.

    Have basketball players always been freeloading front-runners, or is this just something new that has developed here in the SuperTeam era?

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    Surprise surprise.

    Have basketball players always been freeloading front-runners, or is this just something new that has developed here in the SuperTeam era?
    Didn't Kareem ask to be traded to the Lakers?

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    Didn't Kareem ask to be traded to the Lakers?
    Appears to be how it went down.

    Abdul-Jabbar relates to Howard's situation because both asked to be traded.

    Although Abdul-Jabbar had won a championship with Milwaukee, he believed that Oscar Robertson's retirement in 1974 significantly hurt the team's chances of winning another le. So he asked the front office to trade him to either the New York Knicks or the Lakers.
    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/aug...oward-20120815

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    Marquee teams are no strangers to freeloading frontrunners.

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    Except those post Chamberlain Lakers were pretty mediocre until Magic showed up. He failed to make the playoffs more often than he got to the WCF without Big O or Magic.

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