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They can do those things. So they are perfectly capable of providing for themselves but most of the time they prefer to take the easy road and scavenge off of others hard work. The perfect american symbol I guess.
I don't think it really matters what middle class or upper class is, in relation to this conversation. Income distribution is far more important as we can't base tax rates on subjective les, but need to base it on objective data.
Plus SnakeBoy I am sure that you have a better car you ing richer!
just kidding, I couldn't see myself driving anything significantly more expensive than I drive now, because it provides no extra benefit to me.
They can do those things. So they are perfectly capable of providing for themselves but most of the time they prefer to take the easy road and scavenge off of others hard work. The perfect american symbol I guess.
AMERICA! yeah?
Scavengers are also play a very important role in any ecosystem. Winged planet also has some footage of hyenas storming flocks of flamingos and just snapping them out of the air. I had never seen that before.
Last edited by leemajors; 11-09-2012 at 12:30 PM.
middle class as "what feels comfortable" is silly
middle class should more definitive, quan ative, like the middle 33% of the income range. the middle "turd tile"?
To some extent, yes.
Rampant materialism though is not a moral or ethical way to go. (shudders) Watch the real housewives of whatthe ever once, and the shocking amount of money and time they spend on shoes is enough to make one nauseated, when one considers the crushing poverty in the world.
There must be a balance. Desire for self-improvement and betterment, yes, outright greed and hollow materialism no. I would guess we probably agree on that.
Compassion was one of the required tenets of Adam Smith's Capitalist.
I will admit that I am off-put by the definition of middle class involving an ability to live a certain lifestyle. I grew up very, very middle class, but no one today would call that middle class. We never went out to eat - not even fast food. My parents drove 2 really, really old cars. Kids wore hand me downs from their siblings. We did not really go on vacation. A trip to the river in New Braunfels was about it.
But I grew up in NISD and all my friends lived that way. That is what the middle class did.
Yes, we do.
Exactly, in my definition either median income has to go up or the cost of living has to come down in order to restore the "middle class".
2000 F250 diesel crew cab. I went to look at getting a new one, I paid 40K for mine now they are $70k... ! I'll drive this until it dies then I don't know. I'm not paying 70k for a truck.Plus SnakeBoy I am sure that you have a better car you ing richer!
You seem like a Fiat 500 sort. You should try that out.
Agreed, but COL is not going down so what is the best policy for bringing median income up?
"the best policy for bringing median income up"
kill all the "right to work" laws. Make the right to form unions a Federal law. demonizing and busting unions how the UCA forced wages down. r-t-w states ALL have lower avg wages than other states, as always intended.
$15K/year taken off the top of the avg family of four just for health insurnace, going to $20K by 2020.
A hard core public option and medicare for all would make a huge dent in the above wealth transfer to gouging medical sector.
Ha! I'm driving a 2006 Pontiac G6 GTP. The wife and I would love to get a Mazda CX-9 (used they're not bad, roughly 25K) but we're so close to having the Pontiac paid off (another 3K or so) and we don't really feel like going back into that much debt. We figure we'll just roll with this one for a few more years, and then maybe pick up a crossover SUV when the kids get older and need more space in the car for their stuff.
If I had that answer I'd run for office.
Just come to the dark side. '03 Baby Blue Honda Odyssey - fits the wife, three kids, two of their friends, balls, bats, groceries, oh, and the animated corpse representing the guy that used to be me having a life. Have a 44 magnum not so much for home defense, but to keep my testosterone levels from falling too far. It's not working, btw.Ha! I'm driving a 2006 Pontiac G6 GTP. The wife and I would love to get a Mazda CX-9 (used they're not bad, roughly 25K) but we're so close to having the Pontiac paid off (another 3K or so) and we don't really feel like going back into that much debt. We figure we'll just roll with this one for a few more years, and then maybe pick up a crossover SUV when the kids get older and need more space in the car for their stuff.
No - at this moment I have two windows open on my screen; one ST; the other:
http://programyourremote.com/classif...Ad.asp?id=2088
Oh-7 Pale Gold Dodge Grand Caravan here. The way I explain it, the stow and go seating provides a large flat surface which is good to get a little while on the road. The way reality explains it, it would be a pain in the ass to unhook two carseats to stow two of the seats and the kids are almost always in it anyway, so we aren't trying to add psych bills to our expenditures. Luckily, that is my wife's daily. Mine is an 04 hyundai elantra. The stick shift makes me feel manly.
An '04 elantra with a stick....yeah, I'd take that.
I'll be honest, our second is an '06 Infiniti QX-56. It's nice, but it, literally stays parked all but 1,000 miles/yr. We use it to pull our travel trailer on the two weekends a year we actually get out; the Odyssey is where I spend most of my time.
Unless it's the summer; then I cruise on my bike (no - and with this any respect I might have on this board is shot to ):
Well, for my bike, I was on this
but it broke down and I didn't have the time to fix it, so I sold it and am back on this
(yes, I know, my garage was really jacked up when I took these pics)
Last edited by Drachen; 11-09-2012 at 03:50 PM.
or maybe the standard of living.
"the cost of living has to come down in order to restore the "middle class"."
ain't gonna happpen, ever. that's cost deflation, never good.
To restore the middle class, the wealth being sucked out of Human-Americans by shylockian, predatory, vampire-squid financial sector and the health sector must be stopped, giving people more money to spend on crap, the engine of American economy.
The standard of living is diminishing, as we keep buying cheap imports.
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