Random thoughts after mile high loss

[therealtruth]

FWIW, Gallinari didn't shoot the ball well. He only shot 9-21. And I have to say that that 3 pointer over Diaw was a complete fluke. He shot a step back 3 pointer with hardly any legs on that shot, and it went in...

Guys been saying stuff like that for years. When do we realize our defense just isn't good enough? For instance Ibaka just had a really good shooting game. Our defense allows teams to get in rhythm that allows them to knock down ridiculous shots and get career nights on us. The defense has to be more physical and mess with the other team's rhythm. Just the same way Hack-A-Bad-freethrow-shooter throws off the offense, really good defense does the same thing.

[maverick1948]

Guys been saying stuff like that for years. When do we realize our defense just isn't good enough? For instance Ibaka just had a really good shooting game. Our defense allows teams to get in rhythm that allows them to knock down ridiculous shots and get career nights on us. The defense has to be more physical and mess with the other team's rhythm. Just the same way Hack-A-Bad-freethrow-shooter throws off the offense, really good defense does the same thing.

You made a valid point but then you took it and destroyed yourself. Other teams make shots, but it seems like it happens to us all the time. It does every game someone makes shots. Our D has not been great the last few games, but when Ibaka made his first 2 shots, I told my wife the only way to stop him was to tell Stephen Jackson to keep his damn mouth shut. As for Kevin Martin hitting his first 5 of 6, that is just Martin. He is a streak shooter. Against Gallo, we let him shoot because he is not that great 3 point %. 31 %. Jackson got destroyed several times on D against him. Boris got beat a couple of times. And Green was just too small to content with his height. Forget this game and move on to the next one.

[Fabbs]

I'm not looking at the stats, but from memory it seems that he is shooting an inordinate amount of 3's. More of his shots need to come from attacking imo.

2-9 Ginobili
1-8 Green
3-17 from two guards is utter b.s. If they are hot fine. If they are medium, fine. But to just keep chucking Phx Suns D 'Antoni style is the new.....
Part of the pussification of the Spurs 2008 - present orchestrated, condoned nay encouraged by
Sad to see what has become of Spurs philosophy of taking the ball to the rack and playing with a set.

[timvp]

Part of the pussification of the Spurs 2008 - present orchestrated, condoned nay encouraged by
Sad to see what has become of Spurs philosophy of taking the ball to the rack and playing with a set.

In 2007, the Spurs shot three-pointers at rate of about 11% above average.

This season, the Spurs shoot three-pointers at a rate of about *gasp* 11% above average.

[racm]

In 2007, the Spurs shot three-pointers at rate of about 11% above average.

This season, the Spurs shoot three-pointers at a rate of about *gasp* 11% above average.

if anything this season the Spurs are less reliant on threes than the past two seasons. Why? Instead of stubbornly using the 4-down over and over the Spurs offense has incorporated more off-ball cuts. I think Jerry Sloan had a hand in that.

[Fabbs]

In 2007, the Spurs shot three-pointers at rate of about 11% above average.

This season, the Spurs shoot three-pointers at a rate of about *gasp* 11% above average.

Stat guy: 2007 was the most different team then any of the other three le years. Mike Finley was dropping them in the post season.
Like i said, when they are hot or even medium, fine.

In 2007 how many 3-17 bull games by two players did they have? Better yet, in all three of the other Champ years how many times did they pull this three point chucking/no drive to the hoop stuff.

If you think GNob is driving just as much as previous, you're on crack.

[TheSkeptic]

except 36 year old Timmy D

Disagree actually. TD looked really tired as well to me. He just fought through his fatigue and then guys like Manu and Diaw had more energy than everybody else because they were both resting one way or another during this road trip. Working more from the post preserved him a bit on offense and I've found that in general Duncan's rebounding/boxing out is so fundamentally sound that he doesn't usually need to strain himself on the glass because of the way he recovers on defense.

It actually made his game that much more impressive to me.

[BackHome]

You must have missed the playoffs last year.

I don't care what he did last year I care what he is doing today.

[letmk]

Guys been saying stuff like that for years. When do we realize our defense just isn't good enough? For instance Ibaka just had a really good shooting game. Our defense allows teams to get in rhythm that allows them to knock down ridiculous shots and get career nights on us. The defense has to be more physical and mess with the other team's rhythm. Just the same way Hack-A-Bad-freethrow-shooter throws off the offense, really good defense does the same thing.

You need to look at things case by case. For Ibaka, it's obviously bad defense, or at very least bad defense strategy, since he is more than wide open for those mid-range jump shots. In terms of Gallinari, I think the defense is decent.

[racm]

I think the problem is that the Spurs know how to defend a guy like Gallinari who does have the ability to score from anywhere on the court sans elite foul-drawing but not pick and pop stretch bigs like Ibaka.

[Brazil]

Mills sucks tbh fwiw

[Boomersgold]

Mills sucks tbh fwiw

15 points on 5 of 8 threes in 17 minutes of playing time? He can't be that bad....

[Paranoid Pop]

Mills' problem is that he has to be paired with a point guard. But De Colo Mills could be a decent pairing.

[Brazil]

15 points on 5 of 8 threes in 17 minutes of playing time? He can't be that bad....

I was just trying to be a smart ass

[DPG21920]

I think Mills has a lot of talent. Definitely has limitations, but he's young & fast and can score. Anyone that can beat team USA and lead the Olympics in scoring definitely can ball. People forget how well he did when he started those two games when TP was out. Given, very small sample size and the opponents weren't exactly world beaters, but he has shown more than enough flashes to be given opportunity.

[timvp]

Anyone that can beat team USA

Fail.

the opponents weren't exactly world beaters

Still an overstatement, tbh. The Suns after Nash had openly quit on the team and the Warriors starting five rookies in a blatant attempt to tank because they would have lost their lottery pick if they win = two of the worst teams of all-time

[Boomersgold]

Fail.

Still an overstatement, tbh. The Suns after Nash had openly quit on the team and the Warriors starting five rookies in a blatant attempt to tank because they would have lost their lottery pick if they win = two of the worst teams of all-time

Keep in mind that Nash actually played in that game. As everyone knew that the game would probably be Nash's last game as a Sun, I'm sure that the Suns had an extra incentive to win that game. They didn't exactly go into the game thinking, "it's our last game of the season and we won't make the playoffs, let's just give up the win and play around."

[DPG21920]

Fail.

Still an overstatement, tbh. The Suns after Nash had openly quit on the team and the Warriors starting five rookies in a blatant attempt to tank because they would have lost their lottery pick if they win = two of the worst teams of all-time

at timvp using internet meme's like "fail". Don't know why, but it makes me laugh. I was wrong - I thought I remembered Aussies beating USA in a game where Mills played very well. Either way, what is your point by pointing that out and arguing against what I said.

Unless you are being obtuse, you get what I meant when I say he has talent. You say things like fail while failing to make a statement of your own to contradict what I said. Sure, Aussies may not have beaten USA (I wasnt talking about this last Olympics - there was a game before I thought Aussies had won), but he did lead the Olympics in PPG average, he did do very well in TP's absence and whether or not you think I didn't qualify it enough has no bearing on what I thought. Either you agree or you don't, but pointing out the semantics of the argument while neither agreeing nor disagreeing does nothing tbh..

[timvp]

"Fail" is a quicker way to say "Sorry, you are wrong my good sir. The reason for your error should be self-evident." I didn't feel like wasting words, tbh.

Oh, sorry, to be honest. Forgot about your aversion to abbreviations.

[will_spurs]

I don't care what he did last year I care what he is doing today.

Typical of the "what have you done for me lately" mentality that sucks on this board.

[Strategic]

Typical of the "what have you done for me lately" mentality that sucks on this board.

Well, it is a conversation board. It beats "sitting on our hands" all day, A virtual world it is!

[will_spurs]

Well, it is a conversation board. It beats "sitting on our hands" all day, A virtual world it is!

There's a difference between conversation and delusion

[Strategic]

There's a difference between conversation and delusion

Ok, it sounds like it's your day to judge. Lot's of game in the world. Happy hunting!