Heat: When did LeBron become the best player in the league?

[Vladimir Lenin]

Man Mother Russian disagrees.

[Stalin]

Man Mother Russian disagrees.

can't please everyone, tbqh

[lefty]

if he was that good as you claim him to be...why he lose the next 4 games in the finals?

I think the pistons choked too

[lefty]

your an interesting person, how you say thats overrated ill never understand.. they were down by like 18 and no one was doing , guy turns it on and single handedly on the raptors, idc how bad they were if 1 guy scores 81 on you thats shameful..

give the suns some credit that team was pretty ing good at the time... this guy is going down as one of the greatest whether you like it or not bra

Suns were good at the time?

Jordan Isiah and Bird singlehandedly killed much better teams in the playoffs

Stop making re ed excuses

[JoeTait75]

LeBron has been the best player in the league since the middle of the 2005-06 season, IMO. Earlier than most people think, tbh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

shaq from 00-04, duncan in 05, wade in 06, lebron 07-10, dirk in 11, lebron 12-present

This, tbh, except I prolly have Shaq from 00-02 and then Duncan 03-05

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Also, i don't know why you keep discrediting that Suns team. The same team that was tied 2-2 with the spurs during their 07 series before Amare and Diaw were suspended.

It wasn't the same team you mongoloid sp!c, Amare was injured that year and Kurt Thomas wasn't healthy for the series either. Keep revising history.

[SupremeGuy]

For me? Prob 2006 or 2007.

[racm]

2007 Eastern Conference Finals.

Him getting swept by the Spurs in the Finals made sense - he had no reliable number 2 and that was statistically the most dominant Spurs le team.

[Koolaid_Man]

your an interesting person, how you say thats overrated ill never understand.. they were down by like 18 and no one was doing , guy turns it on and single handedly on the raptors, idc how bad they were if 1 guy scores 81 on you thats shameful..

give the suns some credit that team was pretty ing good at the time... this guy is going down as one of the greatest whether you like it or not bra

I told yall before...midget is butthurt in chief over Kobe 5> TOSB 4.....it really I mean really gets under his skin....you guys should have been around here during the 2010 finals when we beat Boston...this ing guy was hot dogging it for 3Q's...then when we won he got real quiet as did most Spur fans and then he tried to Congratulate Laker fan....you should have seen the size of the mud hole I stomped in his ass (and all Spur fan ass that night) I didn't want no congrats I made them es suck my online with tons of spit too

[jimbo]

Not just that six game stretch. He was underwhelming for the majority of playoffs.

And Dirk didn't have a fluke playoff run. He was firmly in the MVP race until a mid-season injury sidelined him and it took him awhile to round back into form.

Underwhelming for half the playoffs tbh. He let Dwhistle take over vs the 76ers and then he took over vs Boston/Chicago. He was nails in those 2 series.

[whitemamba]

Suns were good at the time?

Jordan Isiah and Bird singlehandedly killed much better teams in the playoffs

Stop making re ed excuses

ouch

[whitemamba]

I told yall before...midget is butthurt in chief over Kobe 5> TOSB 4.....it really I mean really gets under his skin....you guys should have been around here during the 2010 finals when we beat Boston...this ing guy was hot dogging it for 3Q's...then when we won he got real quiet as did most Spur fans and then he tried to Congratulate Laker fan....you should have seen the size of the mud hole I stomped in his ass (and all Spur fan ass that night) I didn't want no congrats I made them es suck my online with tons of spit too

lol link to thread?

[midnightpulp]

That logic is stupid and for some reason people like to throw it around a lot on ST, "If you take away the things a player does well, he becomes a bad player" Well, no genius but things don't work like that, you can't discredit Kobe based on a negative event that didn't happen. Kobe had that 50 point game period.

24PPG/47% still is a good performance but as do ented, Kobe averaged 28PPG/50% vs Phoenix.

Also, i don't know why you keep discrediting that Suns team. The same team that was tied 2-2 with the spurs during their 07 series before Amare and Diaw were suspended.

But it wasn't the same Suns' team that was tied with the Spurs, dip . Amare was injured in '06 and missed the playoffs. It's the only reason the Lakers were able to make it a 7 game series. The next year, they handled Kobe and Co. 4-1.

My point with removing the 50 point game is that Kobe wasn't consistent throughout the series. Not all PPGs are created equal, and you'd much rather have guy who averages 25 points per game by routinely scoring 20 to 30 points per game rather than 10 points one game and 40 the next. I speak as Spurs fan here watching Manu do that all the time. Scores 30, Spurs fans get all excited thinking we can count on a similar performance next game, and he follows it up by scoring 9. And it almost always hurts the Spurs.

And yes, Kobe is usually remarkably consistent in that regard, but in that series, he wasn't. The 50 point game made his overall line look better than he actually performed.

[midnightpulp]

your an interesting person, how you say thats overrated ill never understand.. they were down by like 18 and no one was doing , guy turns it on and single handedly on the raptors, idc how bad they were if 1 guy scores 81 on you thats shameful..

give the suns some credit that team was pretty ing good at the time... this guy is going down as one of the greatest whether you like it or not bra

Why was it overrated?

Regular season.
Against the Raptors.
Kobe was still in the game up 17 with ~3 minutes left (aka, garbage time) and went on to score 7 more meaningless points, all from the freethrow line, because the crowd wanted to see an 80 point game.

I ain't just hating on Kobe for the sake of it. You want to tell me David Robinson's 71 point game and quad double during the regular were overrated. Feel free. I won't argue with you.

Any number of Kobe's 35 point games in the playoffs impress me more than 81 points vs. a terrible team in the regular season.

[LnGrrrR]

I know I'm obviously biased against him, but for me it was Game 6 against the Celtics last year. Just unreal.

Realistically though it was probably somewhere in 2010.

[Spurs_Be_Beastin']

tommorow.

[Grit and Grind]

07 fo sure . While Kobe cried his way for Pau . Lebron led Bobbie Gibson , Varejo and his dad to the promise land .